In Catoosa: Former Georgia Flag flying again over I-75
Thursday February 1, 2007 3:49:28pm
Fluttering in the wind above Interstate 75 greeting thousands of visitors each day to the state is a large 1956 Georgia flag.
It flies on a donated 90-foot pole on land at Hoover and Fowler roads near Boynton Drive. Local resident James Mashburn provided the space in late 2005.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans camps of Ringgold, Chickamauga, Trenton and Lafayette maintain the flag, which is replaced twice yearly.
According to Tom Poteet, former commander of the Joseph McConnell SCV Camp in Ringgold, the clubs share the costs of replacing the flags and the electricity needed to illuminate the pole.
During the flag’s most recent placement, rather than raising the flag by normal means, a crane rose up the 90 feet and a man replaced the 20x30 foot flag for a second time in just one week. This swift action by the SCV came after someone not only stole a new $650 flag but also vandalized the mechanism on the pole that raises the flag.
The police report reflects that Mashburn estimated about $1,000 worth of damage to the pole was done sometime between 6 p.m. on Jan. 16 and 6 p.m. on Jan. 17.
John Culpepper, former commander and current treasurer of the John Ingraham SCV Camp in Chickamauga, said the effort to display the stolen flag was an $8,000 project.
“We took the money we raised and put that up as a memorial to Georgia’s Confederate veterans,” he said. “The flag that’s there is the only flag that’s going to fly. It was adopted as a memorial to the Georgia Confederate veterans in 1956 and flew over the state for 50 years.
“We are not using this for a political message,” he added. “It is not a protest about losing that flag. That doesn’t have anything to do with it. It is just to honor our Georgia Confederate ancestors and their families.”
Culpepper said the flag honors not only the great grandfathers who were soldiers but also all the families that struggled through those four years of the Civil War.
“We do this through the monies we get out off donations and by selling t-shirts, selling cokes at events or hotdogs or whatever we can do to raise a dime,” he said. “In one month we had to purchase $1,300 worth of flags. We will keep on.
“When a group of guys gets out and tries to beat the bushes to do projects like this and someone gets that flag its just a sad situation,” he said.
Culpepper said the Northwest Georgia SCV project is not part of the state SCV Division’s “Flags over Georgia.”
Poteet said that similar efforts are underway in other states to display flags at the entrances to the states that formerly made up the Confederacy. He said SCV sponsors in Florida and Alabama fly the Confederate battle flag.
“I sleep a little sounder knowing no one can steal our flag now,” he said.
The group decided to not repair the raising and lowering mechanism on the pole thus requiring any future thieves to scale the 90-foot pole.
“People need to know this does not mean hate,” said Wanda Reynolds, one supporter whose ancestors fought for the Confederacy.
Poteet said so many families in Georgia and throughout the South had ancestors in war.
“We honor Confederate veterans for what they did,” he said. “We were invaded in the South by a Northern Army and the veterans were called to protect their homeland.”
It flies on a donated 90-foot pole on land at Hoover and Fowler roads near Boynton Drive. Local resident James Mashburn provided the space in late 2005.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans camps of Ringgold, Chickamauga, Trenton and Lafayette maintain the flag, which is replaced twice yearly.
According to Tom Poteet, former commander of the Joseph McConnell SCV Camp in Ringgold, the clubs share the costs of replacing the flags and the electricity needed to illuminate the pole.
During the flag’s most recent placement, rather than raising the flag by normal means, a crane rose up the 90 feet and a man replaced the 20x30 foot flag for a second time in just one week. This swift action by the SCV came after someone not only stole a new $650 flag but also vandalized the mechanism on the pole that raises the flag.
The police report reflects that Mashburn estimated about $1,000 worth of damage to the pole was done sometime between 6 p.m. on Jan. 16 and 6 p.m. on Jan. 17.
John Culpepper, former commander and current treasurer of the John Ingraham SCV Camp in Chickamauga, said the effort to display the stolen flag was an $8,000 project.
“We took the money we raised and put that up as a memorial to Georgia’s Confederate veterans,” he said. “The flag that’s there is the only flag that’s going to fly. It was adopted as a memorial to the Georgia Confederate veterans in 1956 and flew over the state for 50 years.
“We are not using this for a political message,” he added. “It is not a protest about losing that flag. That doesn’t have anything to do with it. It is just to honor our Georgia Confederate ancestors and their families.”
Culpepper said the flag honors not only the great grandfathers who were soldiers but also all the families that struggled through those four years of the Civil War.
“We do this through the monies we get out off donations and by selling t-shirts, selling cokes at events or hotdogs or whatever we can do to raise a dime,” he said. “In one month we had to purchase $1,300 worth of flags. We will keep on.
“When a group of guys gets out and tries to beat the bushes to do projects like this and someone gets that flag its just a sad situation,” he said.
Culpepper said the Northwest Georgia SCV project is not part of the state SCV Division’s “Flags over Georgia.”
Poteet said that similar efforts are underway in other states to display flags at the entrances to the states that formerly made up the Confederacy. He said SCV sponsors in Florida and Alabama fly the Confederate battle flag.
“I sleep a little sounder knowing no one can steal our flag now,” he said.
The group decided to not repair the raising and lowering mechanism on the pole thus requiring any future thieves to scale the 90-foot pole.
“People need to know this does not mean hate,” said Wanda Reynolds, one supporter whose ancestors fought for the Confederacy.
Poteet said so many families in Georgia and throughout the South had ancestors in war.
“We honor Confederate veterans for what they did,” he said. “We were invaded in the South by a Northern Army and the veterans were called to protect their homeland.”
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Comments: 40 Joined: 02/21/2007 |
03/04/2007 04:20:36 PM
Continued from previous. I accidently pulled the trigger.Anyways... When you fight racism with racism you will never win. The way I view the flag is just as I said, a historical banner to remind of us where we came from. The problem with most kids today is they don't know where we came from; therefore, they have know clue of where they're going. Though I personally don't display flag at my home or in my vehicle; I have a great deal of respect for those who gave their lives fighting for something they belived in. The Civil War wasn't all about slavery and hate. My hat is off to the gentlemen who dispaly the flag if indeed you are displaying it with the right atttitude. You display it with grace. Unlike some who have no repect for the flag itself nor those who fought for it. Those who stole it are thieves. Bottom line! |
Comments: 40 Joined: 02/21/2007 |
03/04/2007 04:01:14 PM
Here's the problem as I see.You have those who see the flag as a symbol of hate a racism and those who display the flag as a symbol of hate and racism. I believe that each party is a guilty as the next for what the flag "supposedly" has come to symbolize. The problem first starts with the disrespect in the manner this historical standard is displayed, like it or not, is displayed. Do rags, bandanas, t-shirt that associate the banner with rednecks, guns, four-wheel drives, alcohol, etc. It has come to represent a call to raise hell where ever is is displayed. Then the other side makes accussations and assumptions about decent upstanding citizens like these men who feel strongly about their heritage and want to make sure that those who fought and gave their lives, both black and white, are honored for their bravery and sacrifice. |
Comments: 7 Joined: 07/23/2006 |
03/01/2007 06:51:15 PM
The flag is an embarassment. Do they have the right to fly it on private property? Yes, they do, and I would stand up to defend that right. But just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD. |
Comments: 183 Joined: 12/13/2006 |
02/07/2007 10:08:11 PM
bloggeye,what i cant understand is why there has to be a problem with the battle flag at all. lincoln his self said that if the war was about slavery he would put an end to it immediatly. most of the northerners had slaves as well if not more than the southerners. the slaves were bought from slave owners in other countries that were black themselves. just because some used the battle flag as a symbol other than what it was originaly meant for is no reason to throw it aside for the rest who treasure their heritage and that is being proud of being from the south. it amazes me that no one has took the same approach towards the stars and stripes since it was flown by yankee slave owners before and during the war! the whole thing is just a pity party by those that refuse to believe that the battle flag was not a symbol of hatetred by the southerners during the war. many, many blacks fought under that same flag because they believed in the souths stand against the northern invasion. THE WAR WAS NOT ABOUT SLAVERY. how absolutely insane even the idea of that being the cause of the war. i will always be proud of being from the south and that flag and the many others that flew representing the south. i am not a racist because i am from the south. i am not a racist because of the battle flag. i am not even a racist. hell, i hate everybody who dont know how to act civil and like they dont have any sense. no matter what color they are. do i hate the romans because their ancesters held my ancesters as slaves because they were christians. no of couse not. that was a long time ago and the ones alive today had nothing to do with what happened back then. so in respect to everyone that is from the south and had ancesters from the south i hope that the flag never stops being flown. |
Comments: 291 Joined: 08/18/2006 |
02/07/2007 06:39:14 PM
Ringgoldone is right. Like the article says it "is a large 1956 flag." It is the Confederate Battle Flag. Many southerners were angry that segregation was on its way out and thus we have the battle flag of the confederacy. Georgia was only part of the Confederacy for about 5 years. Don't we have more history than that? If this were really about heritage why not use the original Georgia flag? I'm not ashamed of my ancestors. That was a different time. We should all be united under the American flag. I think it is insulting to black Georgians to keep beating the flag issue. |
Comments: 1554 Joined: 01/08/2006 |
2/07/2007 02:47:58 PM
I completely agree about our Churches, they should be color-blind. I don't know about other Churches, but mine is welcoming of other races, but the thing is, many people in our congregation try to hard to make a person feel welcome, that I feel like they chase them away instead. For instance, awhile back we had a mixed race couple visit our Church. I had one of their children in my SS class and when they came to worship service, they sat in front of me. I welcomed them again and told them I had enjoyed their daughter and hoped they would visit again. However, several people clear on the other side of the Church came rushing over to make them feel welcome, but it was too obvious. They meant well, but I feel like they made this couple uncomfortable. I have never seen anyone make that big of a point in welcoming a new white family, not that we don't welcome newcomers. I think we would see more people of different races and backgrounds in our Churches, if we would just treat everyone who visits the same. Welcome them, but don't go overboard.AS for the lack of repentance of those who were KKK members, etc., they will have to answer to God, not to us. |
Comments: 627 Joined: 07/24/2006 |
02/07/2007 01:23:42 PM
I don't have a problem with the historicity of it, so long as we as a nation learn that a house divided cannot stand. I just don't see the need of a 90 foot display. We have historical sights all over our area to allow us to remember the fallen.The other problem I have is the lack of repentance on the part of those still living who participated in the denial of civil rights (especially those who wore the white sheets of the KKK). It might help diffuse some of our current white supremist groups if those who passed on the legacy would publicly acknowledge their actions and attitudes were wrong. It also might help our churches awaken to the fact of how segregated we still are. When God moves people into our area, He doesn't ask us to check their family heritage before we reach them. Of all places, the church should be color-blind. |
Comments: 1554 Joined: 01/08/2006 |
02/06/2007 01:54:58 PM
Yes that was one of the issues. In a way, it was a battle for freedom, the southern states succeeded from the northern ones, so it was a battle to be free. Right or wrong, the confederacy is a part of southern heritage and I have ancestors who fought and died in the war, so what is wrong with honoring them?No, no one should ever have the right to own another person, but black people are not the only ones to have ever been slaves. I dare say if you traced your family far enough back, you might find some who were enslaved. Slavery wasn't invented in the south, it goes back to Bibilical times. Yes, I am sure there were those who used the flag as a symbol of white supremacy during the days of desegregation, but not every southerner felt that way. Thankfully, it is a different world we live in today, not perfect, but it never will be here on earth. If everyone would just simply look at it as a flag that once flew over the Confederate States and nothing more, then maybe everyone would get over trying to see it as perpetuation of hate. |
Comments: 627 Joined: 07/24/2006 |
02/06/2007 12:37:18 PM
What was the main point, though, with states' rights? The right to own slaves.The flag doesn't represent someone's battle for freedom like the American flag, because no one can have the right to own or degrade another person. And then the flag was resurrected in the 1950's to make a statement against the desegregation of schools. Some will say that wasn't the reason, but I have read the transcripts of the Georgia legislature and know it to be fact. The same is true of other southern states. I still say if the shoe was on the other foot, we wouldn't be wanting to see this perpetuated. And I agree that Native Americans also got a raw deal. There is plenty of land here and it could have easily been shared. |
Comments: 193 Joined: 11/05/2006 |
02/06/2007 04:51:16 AM
I can't think of any more disgraceful period in American history than that of the plight of the Native American. I'm proud to have Cherokee blood from two lines in my family but I'm disheartened to know that my ancestors were considered less than humans. That the whites of those days ran them off their land and profitted off the land that was stolen. The Native Americans have never been paid back or given justice to what occurred to them. From the time of the Pilgrims to the settling of the West the Native American has had to give way to white progress. They are looked down on for wanting to hold onto their culture. It's a flag, you don't like it don't look at it but don't tell me what I can fly on my property. My ancestors fought for my right to live in this country and if I want to honor them with a flag I will. |
Comments: 1554 Joined: 01/08/2006 |
02/05/2007 04:39:34 PM
Ringgoldone, I see what you are saying, but you know, anything can be a symbol of hate if one chooses it to be and the War Between the States was started over states rights, not slavery. That of course, became an issue, but it was not what started the war. Also, there were black soldiers who fought and died for the confederacy, so it is also their heritage. Please don't misunderstand, slavery never was right and the way black people have been treated in this country was never and is never right, but for everyone to get in such an uproar over a flag, is just not worth it. Frankly, getting upset over it, just makes people more determined to fly it. We also all need to remember that not only black people have been treated wrong in this country. Remember women weren't treated much better, as far as having rights and the American Indian has been treated worse than anyone. Some might say that flying the American flag is an insult to Indians, as this was their land first and the calvary who attacked them flew the American flag. What it really boils down to, is that anyone at anytime can be insulted by something they may perceive as hate. If we just all look at the flag as a part of the past and of our heritage, we would be better off. We have come so far, lets put the past where it belongs and look to the future. Not saying we should forget our past, we learn from the mistakes we make. |
Comments: 627 Joined: 07/24/2006 |
02/05/2007 01:06:27 PM
Some people might find the Bible offensive, but only because they do not have a relationship with the author.On the other hand, the flag IS a symbol of hatred and a reminder of two disgraceful periods in American history - the civil war and the denial of basic civil rights in the 1950's and 1960's. I wonder how the SCVers would feel if their ancestors had been slaves and denied access to bathrooms and restaurants based on their color? I wonder how they would feel looking at pictures of their ancestors who had been repeatedly whipped or lynched? |
Comments: 193 Joined: 11/05/2006 |
02/04/2007 09:51:34 AM
The bible must be a symbol of hate for some. It has passages about the woman being submissive to the husband, the owning of slaves, stoning people because they sell their bodies and fornication. Should we take the bible out of our homes? I think not.I honor my ancestors because of who they were and what they did. Their struggles to form this country. The majority of my ancestors came from England and I must admit I am interested in the goings on of the British Isles. But if someone wants to wear their Malcolm X tee shirt that's fine with me. I'm not offended but I personally think he talked hate more than peace. But that's not the point, they can wear whatever they want. I can also fly the flag I want. Or wear a pin if I want. People need to get over themselves and quit trying to make us all fit into their little box of how they think we should be. We are all different and come from different places. I am not threatened by someone flying the Mexican flag at their home. That is their heritage. They should take pride in their heritage, it's who they are. Why is it that no one is concerned when they see someone wearing a tee shirt with an Italian flag on it but because it is Mexico it means they want to overthrow the USA. People belong to all sorts of organizations that have their own flag. Churchs have the Christian flag. Is that flag wrong to Jews? Is it a flag of hate? |
Comments: 418 Joined: 01/18/2006 |
02/02/2007 02:38:22 PM
How about the flying of the Mexican flag in the USA? Do you object to that? They are planning another march, do you think they should fly their flag?Title: ND Migrant March will get personal Source: whittierdailynews.com URL Source: http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_5140206 Published: Feb 2, 2007 Author: Araceli Esparza Dozens of immigrant-rights advocates will depart today from San Diego to drum up support for immigration reform. Called Migrant March II, the caravan of mostly Latino leaders will drive to Brownsville, Texas, and back, meeting along the way with community leaders and residents in cities along the border, organizers said. Exactly one year ago, advocates led a similar caravan to push their agenda for comprehensive immigration reform that includes a path to legalization for the nation's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants. ******************************* Personally, I don't care what they do with their flag if they're in this country legally. What about the Pledge of Allegiance that was recited in Spanish in a Mecklenburg County, NC High school? Would that be of more concern to American citizens then the flag from American History? |
Comments: 418 Joined: 01/18/2006 |
02/02/2007 02:24:21 PM
The flag is being flown by the "Sons of Confederate Veterans". Are you saying they have no right to honor their ancestors as they see fit? I may not agree that the flag should be flown, but I will defend their right to fly it. As I said before, I fly the current American flag, would anyone tell me I have no right to fly it? Don't try it!! |
Comments: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 |
02/02/2007 01:49:36 PM
This is just embarrassing. Sure, the confederate flag is part of history, along with many other things that we have sense enough not to display on a 90-foot pole in lights along the interstate! These people are living in the past....the very distant past. If they want to honor someone, it seems like a more productive thing to do with all their hard earned t-shirt and coca-cola money would be to help out some of the many families of the soldiers who are fighting in our armed services now or to honor them by flying our nation's flag. How inspiring and beautiful it would be to all those passing by there to see the American flag displayed in such glory! Instead theyre treated to a nauseating, divisive display of ignorance flying high in the spotlight. |
Comments: 1554 Joined: 01/08/2006 |
02/02/2007 01:43:22 PM
Twinkie, I agree with you and the flag is only a symbol of hate if you want it to be. |
Comments: 418 Joined: 01/18/2006 |
02/02/2007 12:13:42 PM
History is not something to be totally forgotten. We learn from History. My Great Grandfather served in the Civil War and I can understand that some people have a sentimentality toward the confederate flag. I see no reason for the uproar that has lasted several years over this flag. I am however, of the opinion that it is just a symbol of the past and in the present day we all stand together under one flag. The red, white and blue stars and stripes that represent the United States of America. We are living in an age of unrest in our country and in the world and it didn't start yesterday. I still remember the bomb shelters. I say if someone wants to fly the confederate flag, that's their business and I can ignore it. I personally prefer the American flag. As for "Rednecks ", the term refers to farmers who had blistered necks from plowing the fields while watching the North end of a mule headed South. Thank God for the farmers. |
Comments: 627 Joined: 07/24/2006 |
02/02/2007 11:30:25 AM
I agree. Do you ever wonder why we don't fly the flag of the original 13 colonies? It is because that is part of history. The Stars and Stripes represents the present, as does the current Georgia flag.If we want I-75 travelers to stop in Ringgold and contribute to our economy, we do not need an outdated symbol clearly visible right before the exit to make them think we are a bunch of backward rednecks who still live in the past. Go to a museum if you want to remember the past. |
Comments: 54 Joined: 01/03/2007 |
02/02/2007 11:11:07 AM
Pfffttttttttttt....whatever. That symbol may not mean hate to you, but it does for thousands and thousands of people around the world.What if my ancestors where National Socialist? Would it be OK to fly the red/white/black flag of the swastika? No? Really? Then why is it OK to fly the Confederate flag? I mean it's just symbol of history, right? How many hundred of thousands of cars do you think drive by that flag every year, only to shake their heads as they decide that, no, nothing has really changed. |
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