Firefighters criticize Catoosa County advertising for full-time fire chief
By Rachel Brown
Friday July 20, 2007 9:29:12am


Catoosa County is advertising for a full-time fire chief but county officials say that doesn’t mean they’ll actually hire someone for the job.

The advertisement comes amid talks of consolidating Catoosa Fire & Rescue with Post Volunteer Fire & Rescue.

Both organizations have their own part-time chiefs, and their boards have the authority to accept or decline consolidation. Neither has done that.

The Catoosa County Board of Commissioners held a work session in Fort Oglethorpe at Station 1 Thursday evening to publicly continue talks. About 50 people, most of whom were firefighters, attended the meeting. It was the second of its kind commissioners have held to get input from firefighters and the community on the potential consolidation. The first was last week in Ringgold.

Bruce Ballew, the part-time chief for both Fort Oglethorpe’s paid fire department and the Post’s volunteer one, said newspaper interviews with county officials indicated the county planned to wait to advertise for a chief until all parties met together in a committee and decided on a course of action. No committee has been formed.

“It was printed that you’re not going to do that and then hours before we’re meeting it goes up on the website,” Ballew said at the Thursday meeting.

He said more people would have attended the work session had they known the job ad had been posted.

County Manager Ron Brown said he gave the job advertisement to human resources personnel Thursday morning, and it was posted almost immediately at catoosa.com, the county's official website. Advertising in advance will keep the county from getting behind in the game if everyone decides to go ahead and consolidate, he said.

Robbie Tester, the vice chairman of the Post’s board of directors, said the job ad should be taken down, but county officials said they’ll keep it online.

Marlin Thompson, chairman of the board of directors for Post Volunteer Fire Department, said he is not opposed to consolidation so much as the way county leaders have gone about it.

“I am 110 percent for consolidation,” he said. “It makes good economic sense, good business sense, but you don’t do it overnight…There’s a right way and a wrong way to do everything.”

Fort Oglethorpe has extended an offer to consolidate its paid fire department of seven people, some full-time and some part-time, with the Post, which is all volunteer.

Post leaders haven’t accepted or refused it. For years, the Post and Fort Oglethorpe have essentially acted as one fire department when responding to calls.

The Post owns most of the equipment but the city has funded much of the Post’s expenses. The county also provides funding since the Post covers about half of Catoosa’s population.

Fort Oglethorpe City Manager Ron Goulart and council members Jane Moye, Louis Hamm and Harold Silcox all attended the meeting.

Moye said Fort Oglethorpe citizens have footed the bill for years for much of the fire expense in the unincorporated portion of the county.

“The one year the city comes back and asks for just a little bit, you go and do this,” she said to commissioners.
Fort Oglethorpe has asked for an additional $145,000 on top of the $175,000 it received last year. The Post asked for another $492,000 in addition to the $216,000 it received.

Moye also said County Commissioner Ken Marks, whose district includes Fort Oglethorpe, hasn’t supported the fire department or attended meetings. Her remarks drew applause from the audience.

Marks, who later received light applause, said he has long been a supporter of Fort Oglethorpe and Post fire departments. He said he has supported funding for the departments and is open to meeting with anyone. The area would have had to have full fire protection years ago if not for the volunteer support, he said.

“We make mistakes,” he said. “Maybe we handled this the wrong way, but there will be a committee.”

He also suggested levying a fire safety fee of about $40, which he said residents would be more agreeable to than a property tax increase of five or six mills. Others at the meeting said consolidation doesn’t have to mean a full-time fire chief over both departments. One suggestion has been to have a fire commissioner and keep the current chiefs at each department.

The next step in the effort to consolidate will be a meeting of all parties involved, Commission Chairman Bill Clark said. He said it will include representatives from Ringgold and Fort Oglethorpe’s governments, both fire chiefs, someone from the board of directors in both fire departments and county officials.

“And we’re going to just sit down and talk and see where we’re at,” Clark said.

Thompson said the move has been a long time coming. County officials first announced their intentions to consolidate the Post with Catoosa Fire & Rescue in late June.

On the web

Visit catoosa.com to read the ad for full-time fire chief



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fofire8
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Joined: 07/02/2007
07/26/2007 07:11:32 AM
Agreed romes! Volunteers for the most part take their craft seriously, which accounts for the emotions that accompany any change in the fire service. For years firefighters didn't like wearing airpacks-they were for wimps. Lets focus on the issue at hand, which is providing excellent fire protection for the masses while saving tax dollars, if possible.

 
romegasir
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Joined: 03/14/2007
07/25/2007 10:05:30 PM
although volunteers can be a nuisance to the community, they have more reason to complain than any paid firefighter. They are volunteers and obviously care about the dept and do it for free, so one can imagine that any complaints they have are an attempt to better the dept. paid firefighters who complain, one might suspect that they are trying to better their wallets.

 
Mustang1
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Joined: 07/25/2007
07/25/2007 02:37:13 PM
Can't everyone just get along..

 
rbrown
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Joined: 02/22/2006
07/25/2007 02:29:16 PM
ignorant imbeciles fireman2001. If you have done all your research then why haven't they asked your opinion..

 
rbrown
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Joined: 02/22/2006
07/25/2007 02:27:00 PM
inhoc79....

My only point is a volunteers by definition shouldn't be crying because county leaders didn't ask for their opinion... I volunteer for habit for humanity.. I don't critize the house plan or layout just because I may not better.

I'm not saying you are doing a bad job.. I respect that you volunteer you time but it is your decision and please quit complaining.

oh.. I really like the man pound you chest challenge... give me a break..



 
inhoc79
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Joined: 07/06/2007
07/25/2007 08:31:25 AM
At this point we are all about sick of you rbrown and all of your comments. I personally would like to know why you think you have the right to talk the way you do to all the volunteers. I don't recall God speaking down from the heavens and giving you any sort of expertise on how to run a fire department much less your own life, for that matter.But if it makes you feel better to piss everyone off everytime you post a comment then I guess thats your right to free speech. But thats gotta be a togh pill to swallow to know that the citizens of Catoosa county can't stand you and that you are just a bitter little man with nothing else to do but gripe and complain. I would like to challenge you rbrown just for the pure excitement of it I think you should go through one of the volunteer dpartments training, and if you complete the course succesfully we will shut up and let you do your job. At this point its not about who we think is better or not , I think when it all comes down to it the departments are only as good as the people that lead them. Whatever happens we should let the volunteers decide they are the ones who deserve that right.

 
Fireman2001
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07/25/2007 07:57:42 AM
rbrown it is saddening that we have ignorant people like you in the world. Have you ever served your community or are you just wanting to play Monday morning quarterback?Just so we are perfectly clear I have done my homework and know the details to this dilemma. You on the other hand would rather critisize a service that you are to afraid to join. I understand the job is not for every body. Just remember that when you are home sleeping all night that the fire service is on the front line answering the call only to be critisized by imbeciles like yourself.

 
rbrown
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07/23/2007 07:27:02 AM
It may be rare but I have seen it twice in the past 5 years.

Fireman2001.. It's called free speech.. Did you even read the article?

Firefighters criticize Catoosa County advertising for full-time fire chief

Doesn't seem like you have study up on anything..

 
fofr906
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Joined: 07/01/2007
07/22/2007 10:23:04 PM
rbrown, you apparently do not live in Catoosa County. I assure you anything close to what you describe is rare to say the least.

 
Fireman2001
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07/22/2007 09:14:46 PM
rbrown why are you even placing comments about issues that you can not intelligently speak on. Regardless on career or volunteer services the performance of the crews is based solely on strong leadership. This is what the county is progressing towards by attempting to consolidate the fire services under one strong leader. Please study up on subjects that you comment on in the future, you have embarressed us all by posting thoughtless comments.

 
rbrown
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07/22/2007 07:20:10 PM
fofr906.... Yea but when the structure burns to the ground waiting on someone to get dressed and figure out where/how to connect everything..... 2hrs after call to just get water flowing... very sad...

You are clueless one.. Do you think every company in world ask full or part time employees their thoughts before moving forward.? Much less someone on the


 
fofr906
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07/22/2007 08:25:52 AM
rbrown, thanks for adding your comments to a long list of others who don't have a clue. Houses can burn to the ground regardless if your protected by a career or volunteer service. I am both and I have seen more structures burn to the ground where I work than I have in Catoosa, Walker or Hamilton counties. I agree that the County needs to move toward a career fire service, however, you do not pay enough taxes. A fully staffed career fire department in Catoosa County would cost the tax payers 6-7 million a year. That is about 5 mills added to your current tax rate. The volunteers do have a voice and it will be heard, but the only complaining going on is about the lack of communication. No department is without its faults. We can only strive to be perfect. But we are human.

 
rbrown
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07/21/2007 09:10:58 PM
Well fo8643.. The last two homes that caught fire near me.. burnt to the ground... so did the system work? I belive we need full time fire protection and we pay enough taxes to have it...

You choose to provide you time as a volunteer.. That was your choice... I'm tried of hearing the complaining from people volunteering that think they have a voice... I also know of people that quiet volunteering because they would meet to learn and work together but people just wanted to sit around and discuss/complain..


 
romegasir
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07/21/2007 04:17:32 PM
talk to chattooga county volunteers.

 
fofire8
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07/21/2007 04:01:01 PM
*** Current through the 2006 Regular Session ***
TITLE 40. MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC
CHAPTER 6. UNIFORM RULES OF THE ROAD
ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

O.C.G.A. § 40-6-6 (2006)

§ 40-6-6. Authorized emergency vehicles


(a) The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle or law enforcement vehicle, when responding to an emergency call, when in the pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the law, or when responding to but not upon returning from a fire alarm, may exercise the privileges set forth in this Code section.

(b) The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle or law enforcement vehicle may:

(1) Park or stand, irrespective of the provisions of this chapter;

(2) Proceed past a red or stop signal or stop sign, but only after slowing down as may be necessary for safe operation;

(3) Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as he or she does not endanger life or property; and

(4) Disregard regulations governing direction of movement or turning in specified directions.

(c) The exceptions granted by this Code section to an authorized emergency vehicle shall apply only when such vehicle is making use of an audible signal and use of a flashing or revolving red light visible under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of 500 feet to the front of such vehicle, except that a vehicle belonging to a federal, state, or local law enforcement agency and operated as such shall be making use of an audible signal and a flashing or revolving blue light with the same visibility to the front of the vehicle.
(d)(1) The foregoing provisions shall not relieve the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons.

(2) When a law enforcement officer in a law enforcement vehicle is pursuing a fleeing suspect in another vehicle and the fleeing suspect damages any property or injures or kills any person during the pursuit, the law enforcement officer's pursuit shall not be the proximate cause or a contributing proximate cause of the damage, injury, or death caused by the fleeing suspect unless the law enforcement officer acted with reckless disregard for proper law enforcement procedures in the officer's decision to initiate or continue the pursuit. Where such reckless disregard exists, the pursuit may be found to constitute a proximate cause of the damage, injury, or death caused by the fleeing suspect, but the existence of such reckless disregard shall not in and of itself establish causation.

(3) The provisions of this subsection shall apply only to issues of causation and duty and shall not affect the existence or absence of immunity which shall be determined as otherwise provided by law.

(4) Claims arising out of this subsection which are brought against local government entities, their officers, agents, servants, attorneys, and employees shall be subject to the procedures and limitations contained in Chapter 92 of Title 36.

(e) It shall be unlawful for any person to operate an authorized emergency vehicle with flashing lights other than as authorized by subsection (c) of this Code section.

 
romegasir
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07/21/2007 02:01:41 PM
cool gadawg...appreciate that. I noticed that government agencies do not have to register their vehicles so Floyd county is not in violation. I also noticed that it only relates to blue lights. I've been to Chattooga county and seen all the volunteers flying down 27 at 130 mph with their little flashy lights white and red in their headlamps etc. I wouldn't expect the law to be enforced there anyways.

 
Gadawg47
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07/21/2007 01:27:13 PM
To amend Part 5 of Article 1 of Chapter 8 of Title 40 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to equipment of law enforcement and emergency vehicles, so as to provide for restrictions with respect to the use of blue lights; to provide for exceptions; to provide for criminal penalties; to provide for an effective date and applicability; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.


BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA:


SECTION 1.
Part 5 of Article 1 of Chapter 8 of Title 40 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to equipment of law enforcement and emergency vehicles, is amended by striking Code Section 40_8_90, relating to restrictions on the use of flashing or revolving blue lights, and inserting in its place the following:
"40_8_90.
(a)(1) Except as provided in this paragraph and subsection (b) of this Code section, it shall be unlawful for any person, firm, or corporation to operate any motor vehicle equipped with or containing a device capable of producing any blue lights, whether flashing, blinking, revolving, or stationary, except:
(A) Motor vehicles owned or leased by any federal, state, or local law enforcement agency;
(B) Motor vehicles with a permit granted by a state agency to bear such lights; or
(C) Antique, hobby, and special interest vehicles, as defined in subsection (a) of Code Section 40_2_77, which may display a blue light or lights of up to one inch in diameter as part of any such vehicle´s rear stop lamps, rear turning indicator, rear hazard lamps, and rear reflectors.
(2) Any person who violates paragraph (1) of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) The prohibition contained in subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply to any elected sheriff who, pursuant to an agreement between the sheriff and the county governing authority, is using his or her personal motor vehicle in a law enforcement activity, provided such vehicle is marked as provided in Code Section 40_8_91.
(c) It shall be unlawful for any person to use any motor vehicle equipped with flashing, blinking, revolving, or stationary blue lights in the commission of a felony, and, upon conviction of a violation of this subsection, the punishment shall be a fine of not less than $1,000.00 or imprisonment of not less than one year, or both."


 
Gadawg47
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Joined: 07/20/2007
07/21/2007 01:06:57 PM
rome, the only law I know of is if you have a blue strobe light you must have your vehicle registered with the state.

 
romegasir
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07/21/2007 12:36:06 PM
fofire....great policy.....I would however like to see the law that requires registering vehicles as emergency response vehicles. I looked for it and can't find it. I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist or floyd county and ALL wrecker companies are in violation.

 
fofire8
Comments: 13
Joined: 07/02/2007
07/21/2007 10:51:00 AM
Just to clarify-FO does not allow their FF to drive personal vehicles to fire / medical scenes unless they pass by the location (enroute to their station) and have proper personal protection equipment with them, which in most cases they do not. To my understanding, Georgia law requires vehicles that have ANY emergency lighting to be registered with the state and licensed as a emergency response vehicle. Any one else doing so is violating the law. To rbrown, did anyone ask your opinion? Or did you give it because you are free to do so?

 
romegasir
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Joined: 03/14/2007
07/21/2007 09:48:24 AM
fo, i agree...they need someone to come save their chimneys and put their lives at risk by driving 130 mph in their honda accords with little flashy lights on them.

 
fo8643
Comments: 1
Joined: 07/21/2007
07/21/2007 07:35:52 AM
Okay first off rbrown you say if you don't like it then quit volunteering what would the citizens do when there property is burning to the ground at 3am and there is no one to respond? Because I know you wouldn't get up in the middle of the night to respond!! It takes a special breed of people to do what we do! I do what I do not because of who the chief is or because of who our comissioners are I do it for the love of the job, to know that you have helped someone else out in their time of need. I don't want to be paid for what I do but I guess to SOME people it doesn't matter huh? So if you really feel that way how about whenever the time comes that YOUR home is in flames or your child needs medical help you do it yourself because aparrently YOU don't need volunteers!!

 
rbrown
Comments: 12
Joined: 02/22/2006
07/20/2007 01:01:13 PM
Come on Volunteer's quite complaining... Do you think they have to ask you your opinion? If you don't like it then how about not volunteering..

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