Post your comments on the upcoming Fort Oglethorpe election
By Rachel Brown
Monday August 13, 2007 9:04:39pm


Election time is nearing again.

Qualifying for three seats on Fort Oglethorpe City Council will be Aug. 27-29 from 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. at Fort Oglethorpe City Hall.

The seats to be filled are currently held by Mayor Judd Burkhart and council members Jane Moye and Richard Egeland of Wards 1 and 4.


Fort Oglethorpe elections

Incumbents: Mayor Judd Burkhart, council members Richard Egeland and Jane Moye

Qualifying: Aug. 27-29 at Fort Oglethorpe City Hall

Voting day: Nov. 6 at Constitution Hall

For more information: (706) 866-2544


Burkhart, who defeated opponent Ken Marks in the last election, said he’ll definitely run for a third term. Moye said she hasn’t yet decided. Egeland who at one time said he was too frustrated with city politics to run for a second term, more recently said he would definitely enter the race.

Council member and clerk Harold Silcox announced fees at the council’s meeting on Monday, saying the cost of running for mayor is $315 while fees for a regular council seat total $255.

“If you don’t have the money and want to run for office, just fill out a special form and you can run for the office,” Silcox said.

The nonpartisan elections will be Nov. 6 with voting at Constitution Hall on Forrest Road.

In other business at the Monday meeting, the council:

* Voted to pay an additional $51 a month for software support services from Westover Consulting, Inc. Councilman Louis Hamm voted against the move, saying city employees should learn to do the work on their own. A few city employees at the meeting said having support services is standard practice and that the work involves technical programming skills they don’t have. The quarterly cost is now $1,400, up from $1,245 for the software that handles payroll, accounts payable and utility management.

* Gave City Manager Ron Goulart permission to spend up to $35,000 to purchase a new heating and air conditioning unit for a portion of city hall after one of the units broke down last week.

* Approved spending about $15,000 for a plotter and scanner for the building department to use in mapping and other services.

* Recognized Fort Oglethorpe Fire & Rescue for receiving firefighter of the year and lifesaving awards from the Georgia State Firefighter’s Association recently. They also recognized the Clown Battalion for its work in visiting hospitalized children on behalf of the fire department and teaching fire safety skills in elementary schools.






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ATLANTABURNING
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Joined: 05/13/2007
11/21/2007 12:37:17 AM
Zogby Spins Poll Results To Marginalize Ron Paul
Ignored Texas Congressman's domination of nearly every category to focus on single Giuliani success
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, November 20, 2007



In their press release about the results of a new telephone poll, Zogby chose to marginalize Ron Paul by highlighting a demographic that was won by Rudy Giuliani, while largely ignoring the fact that the Texas Congressman completely dominated almost every other aspect of the poll.

Under the headline Giuliani Leads Among Republicans in Latest Blind Bio Survey, the Zogby press release reads, "Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, long the favorite in nationwide samples of likely Republican voters in the 2008 race for the party's presidential nomination, has the strongest resume of four top contenders, a new Zogby International survey shows."

"The telephone survey, known as a “blind bio” poll because likely voters are given details of the candidates’ resumes without their names attached, shows Giuliani wins 34% support, compared to 22% each for Thompson and Romney. Ron Paul, who has surged recently in polls and has a significant online following, came in last with 13% support, while 9% said they were undecided on the question."

(Article continues below)


Only at the end of the article does the Zogby statement admit, "The blind bio question was also posed to a larger pool of 1,009 likely voters nationwide, including Democrats and independents, and Paul was the big winner among that universe of voters, winning 33%, compared to 19% for Giuliani, 15% for Romney, and 13% for Thompson."

Zogby's focus on Giuliani's success in one demographic is completely misleading and obfuscates the fact that Ron Paul won 90% of the categories in the survey. The fact that the headline of the press release trumpeted Giuliani, who distantly lags behind the Congressman in nearly all the key demographics, is a clear case of total spin.

Ron Paul dominated categories where the sample was both traditionally Republican and Democrat voters. Voters were asked which platform they favored - candidates A and D were Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani respectively, but they were not directly named.

Amongst born again Christians, Ron Paul polled at 29.6 per cent, with Giuliani garnering just 22.5 per cent.

Amongst people with military in their families, 33.3 per cent supported Paul's platform, with 18 per cent supporting Giuliani.

Amongst NASCAR fans, Ron Paul polled at 32.5 per cent, beating Giuliani's 28 per cent.

Amongst women, 34.7 per cent favored Paul's platform over Giuliani's 17 per cent.

Amongst African-Americans, Paul trounced Giuliani, 40.5 per cent to Giuliani's 9.1 per cent.

Ron Paul's sweep in all these categories and many more was clearly the biggest story to come out of this poll, yet Zogby chose to highlight Giuliani's rare success.

There is no doubt that Giuliani beats Paul on name recognition alone, but the fact that the Congressman is surging ahead and gaining momentum, while capturing the sentiment of the nation, was the biggest story to come out of this poll - but Zogby chose to stifle it - proving once again that the self-fulfilling media obsession with relentlessly focusing on establishment approved candidates while marginalizing others only upholds the status quo and hurts the democratic process.
 
ATLANTABURNING
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11/19/2007 09:07:16 PM
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RabbitNFO
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11/06/2007 09:28:42 AM
acitizen, I do not for a moment think Larry Black is the reason for all of the strife and discourse in the city - quite the opposite. I think he is doing a fine job. Odd though, the only people raising the 'Botts Issue' are Egeland and Judy O. They need to give it a rest so the rest of the city can as well.

Comm4, I doubt seriously Red Smith is Judd's right-hand-anything. Doesn't anyone recall he was placed on 3rd shift, moved around, slated for demotion, then made acting chief only to have to take retirement to keep from being demoted. Come on people. He doesn't like the power structure anymore than the next guy.

One last thing, and you said it yourself. Ronnie only voted for beer and wine sales. This much is true. My only problem with that is he said he wouldn't do it at all. Honesty? Integrity? I think not.
 
ringgoldone
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Joined: 07/24/2006
11/06/2007 07:30:21 AM
Sometimes, and this is one of them, change brings you worse than what you have. Anyone who has paid even the slightest bit of attention to Fort O politics knows that Cobb has proven that he is a hot-headed individual who does not keep his promises. There goes your honesty and integrity out the door.

As far as Egeland is concerned, he is out fof control and needs to go find something else to do.
 
CSS4Comm4
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Joined: 10/09/2006
11/05/2007 11:15:59 PM
The million dollar question is how did Burkhart collect over $5 million in property along Cloud Springs Road by covering chairs and serving as Mayor of Fort Oglethorpe, especially when that little upholstery shop is closed all the time? I'm obviously in the wrong business. Or, should I ask, "Who's lining his pockets for governmental favors?"

Citizens of Fort Oglethorpe...you better wake up and smell the coffee!!!

Ross Perot said it and I believe it. "It's time to clean out the barn and take out the trash." The voters of Fort Oglethorpe have the opportunity to vote like a box of Epsom Salts. Give the city a good cleaning out on Tuesday. I would even agree to vote Egeland out if Red Smith wasn't one of Burkhart's right-hand men.

If for nothing else, for the sake and job of Chief Larry Black, vote out the jerks with the vendettas.
 
acitizen
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11/05/2007 08:07:48 PM
I generally try to abide by the policy of refraining from comment if I have nothing good to say about someone but in this case I am going to make an exception.

First of all folks, have any of you ever wondered why it is that the police department in our fine city changes chiefs about once every two years? I realize that right now the Mayor and City Attorney/Manager would like for everyone to believe that Chief Black is the reason for all the bad publicity that the police department is recieving but what about the men who filled that position before Chief Black? At what point do you, as voting citizens begin to question whether or not the problem truly lies on the shoulders of the man filling the Chief's position or if instead it lies elsewhere....

I ask you all only to consider this..... how many men have been the Chief of police in this city over the past ten years? Is is really possible that ALL these men were incapable of leading the police force? I think not....

I've seen Mr. Burkhart's commercial which poses the question, "Why would we want a change?", and find myself laughing out loud everytime it comes on because that's a ridiculous question Mr. Mayor.... We want a change because change forces us to grow...as people, as a community. We want a change because we want our city to be a city led by HONEST men and women who have our best interests in mind.



 
sleepingbeauty
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11/05/2007 07:44:23 PM
I'm with you Rabbit in hoping the residents of Ft.O are tired of that hot head and elect Red Smith by a landslide!! Hope to see all of you at the polls tomorrow.
 
RabbitNFO
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Joined: 10/30/2007
11/05/2007 09:30:30 AM
We've had over 400 early voters and mail-ins for the FO election. Looks like it will be a good turn out if it doesn't rain. I know we need the rain but we also need to get the voters out. I will gladly give up washing my car to see Mr. Egeland get dethrowned.
 
Torre
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11/04/2007 04:01:13 PM
Someone,
You didn't upset me and I am sorry if I sounded mad at you. I am just glad that you are showing interest which is more than most people are doing. I have seen in times past when someone gets elected with an agenda it usually means the people as a whole will suffer. While it is true Wayne Swanson is a good man, he is only one man and can only do so much to change things.
The biggest thing is that people get out and vote and show that we care and that we have a voice in what goes on in our City. I would like to see our town come together and be what it should be and people work together and invite others to want to work, live and visit here.

 
RabbitNFO
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11/02/2007 04:22:26 PM
Thank you sleepingBeauty. I think 300 early votes is good, considering we usually only get 700-1000 total votes (out of 5000 or so I believe Judy O. said). The 1000 being on the years with major elections I would imagine.

 
someone
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11/02/2007 04:21:49 PM
I know I don't live in Ft O, but I come through there every day. I have never seen the first problem with anyone drinking in any of the resturants, or causing problems on the streets, so whats the big deal about it?
 
someone
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11/02/2007 04:08:11 PM
Torre, Im sorry if I upset you, but thats all I know. Wayne Swanson may be a very good man. I am not doubting that, just telling you what I heard.
 
ringgoldone
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11/02/2007 02:51:17 PM
The deal on the liquor issue was this. In the first vote, the citizens voted against liquor in the city. Then, Cobb (who promised that he wouldn't) led the vote for beer and wine, saying that the vote of the citizens did not apply to beer and wine. They passed beer and wine, and Cobb publicly bragged that it could not be reversed, which is not true.

On the second vote (liquor by the drink), the citizens who fought the first battle were so discouraged that they didn't fight it and it passed. If I remember correctly, it was a special election that was rushed, so there wasn' t time to mount much opposition.

I asked Egeland when he was campaigning if he would support making Fort O dry again. His response was that there were other issues to deal with first. Obviously, it has never been addressed.

Just a note - Eegland ran with Burkhart and Moye in his first campaign. It appears now that he was in league with Cobb the whole time.
 
Torre
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11/02/2007 12:54:35 PM
Someone
I think Eric Tallent is kin to Mark White but I am kin to alot of people in this area and I hope I am judged on my attributes and not that of my relatives. About Mr. Craig, he seems quiet able to pay his own way and he seems broadminded enough to not be influence by any one group. Mr. Mashburn has an personal ax to grind because he doesn't always get his way and he tells things that are not based on facts and there's another name for that but we won't get into that. I doubt anyone in this area could discredit Mr. Swanson's character. He really works for the people and really loves our town and that is a rare find. I know for a fact he goes to bat for city employees and anyone else who has problems in the city when brought to his attention. I have heard from people from both sides of the tracks that he has helped them without causing a publicity scandal like we would see if Mashburn buys his way in. A person who financially able to advertise more shouldn't have the edge over an inbumbent with a good record.
 
someone
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11/02/2007 12:00:26 PM
Torre, I was also told that Eric Tallent was kin to Mark White somehow. Im not sure if The Tallent guy is being helped by the Golfers or not but I have heard from several sources that Bill Craig had money taken up for him by many golfers at LaFayette Golf Course. He may be a good guy, Im not disputing that. I just overheard talk about all this because some people was wanting to know what the golf course needed now. Said they just had a new clubhouse built there.
 
bygracethrufaith
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11/02/2007 11:58:55 AM
sleeping beauty, how did that happen, please explain...it doesn't make sense to have a vote, if it will not be upheld by the city.
 
sleepingbeauty
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11/02/2007 11:22:36 AM
Grace,you are correct we were given a vote on the drinking issue.However,the citizens aren't to blame on the issue as we voted it down by a large number yet it still slipped through. Seems to me it was already a done deal!

 
sleepingbeauty
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11/02/2007 11:12:52 AM
RabbitNFO,just got home from early voting and I was number 289.The ladies there said that was the total early votes for the week,not sure about absentee voter totals.
 
bygracethrufaith
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11/02/2007 10:50:55 AM
Ringgoldone,
I will not address your comment here, concerning spiritual gifts, as the discussion between you and I has clearly gone from political to spiritual. I will say that I disagree with you on several of your points...especially your assumption that I am an "island to myself" just because I chose to study God's word rather than to be tossed by every wind and wave of doctrine. Please go to Matters of Faith if you'd like to discuss further the Gifts of the Holy Spirit - as I HAVE studied them- quite a bit, I may add.
Only one more thing on your comment concerning your spiritual fruit of kindness toward the citizens of Fort O who seem to have you as their only voice... (confused about that statement, as well). Is not Cobb a citizen of Fort O? My question to you was: where is your kindness to him? Does your answer mean that you have "selective" kindness? Please realize that I am not attacking you, however, when you wish to point out other's downfalls as a "christian" I will do my best to direct you to look again at yourself. Disagree with Cobb, Egeland, your next-door neighbor, whom-ever you choose, but don't measure them by YOUR christian measuring stick, that is for God alone to do...Don't just say- "That's not how a Christian ought to act." say, "NO ONE should behave this way- Christian or not-no exceptions." ALL have sinned & come short...
 
bygracethrufaith
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11/02/2007 10:35:58 AM
Rabbit,
Again, thanks for your input, very informative. I do not know much about Moye or her opponent. But I did wonder about the mayoral puppet thing, as she seems to have aligned herself with Burkhart (see the signs side by side all over Fort O plus the mail outs with her on one side & Burkhart on the other.) I may vote for her...I would like to see how she has voted on issues in the past couple of years in contrast to Burkhart's stances...might I find some past council meetings minutes online that would show this? I have no problem with her agreeing with the mayor on any issues, however, if she has voted against an issue that Burkhart is for, it will at least tell me that she seems to maintain her own convictions.
 
bygracethrufaith
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11/02/2007 10:26:51 AM
Thanks for the link, Sleeping Beauty. I am assuming that you are showing me that Cobb was for liquor by the drink. So far, with the information provided on this particular issue, here is what I have learned:

Cobb has been quoted by a relative of someone on this message board to have said to them personally that he would not vote for beer and wine by the drink. Then he voted for it...Then, he said that this is not strong liquor, but just wine and beer. Later, it comes before the council to vote on handing over the choice of whether or not to have liquor by the drink to the actual citizens of the city. (To put it our for US to vote on) -and Cobb is behind giving the citizens a choice.---Am I correct on this observation?
Isn't putting the choice before the citizens to vote on the issue a GOOD thing? I would rather have the choice than have someone else decide it for me. Folks are upset because they didn't have a choice on the beer & wine sales, then when they get the choice, they are upset that it was brought up...just incase it actually got voted in...which it did....so we need someone to blame??? If I am incorrect on this, PLEASE clarify...surely this is not why people on here dislike him so much.
I am still confused as to why anyone is not as upset at the other council members as they are at Cobb for this... According to the article I just read, Egeland was the one who didn't want it to be brought up for a vote by the citizens, because he was not for it during his campaign...seems he may actually stand by what he believes in, if we look at this example...regardless of all of the negativity toward him. I have seen the same ones on here who point out "flip-flopping" out as a fault of Cobb, also be against Egeland- who apparently did not flip-flop on this all important issue.
---I'm just going to vote my conscience, use my OWN discernment. There are many things in this city that upset me, and suprinsingly, none of them are mentioned here on this thread. There are other problems that I am concerned about that have nothing to do with liquor or beer sales...and it looks as though during the reign of the current mayor, none of them have been taken care of. I have not been a Fort O citizen long, but I am VERY familiar with this area for MANY years. Not being an actual citizen is the reason that I have not exactly kept up with local politics. However, when you actually live in the area, you find that there are much more important things that need to be addressed, rather than spending extra money on beautification of streets. Don't get me wrong- it's nice to have a good city that folks would want to visit...but what about those of us who actually LIVE here. ---Make me want to STAY. I honestly DON't know who's the best one for the job...I hear really BAD stuff from alot of people on BOTH sides...I have actually READ more on Burkhart...and you have to wonder where both of their priorities are. Most people would say ANYTHING to get elected. Perhaps Cobb has in the past...but I wouldn't put that past anyone running that wants the job really bad. It's hard for me to understand how so much can be overlooked concerning Burkhart, yet call Cobb dishonest, hot-headed, fake, and a poor Christian. I honestly don't feel that Burkhart has the city's best interest at heart any more than folks on here are saying that Cobb does. But we do need a change...and I don't believe that Burkhart will make those changes if he remains in office.
 
RabbitNFO
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11/02/2007 10:25:16 AM
Has anyone heard who many early voters and absentee voters FO has had? (And is that number up or down from the last council election year?)
 
RabbitNFO
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11/02/2007 10:23:59 AM
Grace,

I think I should state up front that I voted for Jane Moye last go 'round and will likely vote for her again.

Jane Moye has gotten a bad rap of late. Mostly because of the turmoil caused by Egeland's wife. (Again, another case of personal life spilling over into public life and causing strife amongst the council and officials.) Some say she is the Mayor's puppet, but I do not believe it. Yes, she does hold some of the same views and values as Burkhart, but I have no problem with that. As councilwoman, she votes, the mayor does not. It takes at least 2 others to pass a motion so the notion that the mayor is pulling the strings behind the scenes is ludicrous.

Jane is staunch supporter of the police and fire departments, and was one of the first group to go through the FO Citizen's Police Academy. See:
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=685140&om=1
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=874169&om=1
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=907910&om=1


She has had a lot of input on beautifying our fair city and helping to bring much needed businesses in.
See:
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1208343&om=1
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=989367&om=1
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=938226&om=1

She is open and approachable and encourages people to contact her about any issues they have. I even carry a few spare council "business cards" of hers to hand out to people who have problems or concerns, or simply do not know who to call.

That's my two cents worth.
 
sleepingbeauty
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11/02/2007 02:43:41 AM
Grace,here's another article : http://www.catt.com/article.php?story=20050124091715897&mode=print

 
FOvoter
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11/02/2007 02:10:46 AM
Government has authority,but GOD has ultimate authority and I pray his will be done.My wish would be for the mayor of Ft.Oglethorpe to get re-elected! Walking by faith....
 
someone
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11/01/2007 10:55:42 PM
Torre, I hear Bill Craig was asked to run by the golfers at the golf course. Someone said they took up money for him there. Also, Mark White (who used to be councilman there) is a big supporter of his, was suppose to have paid his qualifying fee, and Mark has built apartments in the town. Not sure whats up with that. I think its got something to do with codes in the city, not sure. He's the same Mark White thats having issues with the Walker County zoning committee.

 
RabbitNFO
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Joined: 10/30/2007
11/01/2007 09:16:07 PM
Grace, here are some CCN articles supporting my views on Cobb and Egeland.

Catoosa news reports on Egeland’s wife’s arrest after assaulting coucilwoman Moye.
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1158679&om=1

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1166406&om=1

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1152449&om=1


Full time mayor
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=861429&om=1


Egeland storms out of council meeting (and threatens citizen)
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1029144&om=1

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1034615&om=1


Fire & Police Training center
http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1086994&om=1

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=724&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1031914&om=1
 
ringgoldone
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11/01/2007 05:53:59 PM
Grace:

If you study the gifts, you will find that discernment (as with all the gifts) comes from the Spirit and not human experience.

The person from CCN that relayed that to me is no longer there. There have been many changes in personnel in the last few years. Why don't you make a trip to city hall and ask around about Cobb's reputation since you won't believe what those of us have seen with our own eyes and heard with our ears?

I am glad you read and study for yourself, but you must remember that we are all part of a body with gifts given by the Spirit to help us all become mature in Christ. No one is to be an island unto him or herself.

My gift is prophetic (not foretelling, but forthtelling). I see everything black and white, right or wrong. And yes, I judge myself first and foremost. My love and kindness is for the people of Fort O. My desire, my passion is to protect them from Cobb.

And frankly, we ought to evaluate all candidates on the basis of their Christianity. If we would only elect leaders who made decisions on the truth of God's Word, our city/county/country would be a better place to live.

Again, I wish there was another option. But of the two, Burkhart is a better leader.

One other thing - my wife often says I waste my time trying to reason with people. But my gift won't let me be silent. And the folks who I know in Fort O have pleaded with me to continue telling the truth, because often I am the only voice they have.

I am glad to know there are others on this blog who have seen the same fiasco I have for the last several years and are willing to share their experiences. Hopefully, it will make a difference and protect the dear citizens of Fort O from Cobb and others like him.
 
lee2854
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11/01/2007 03:30:54 PM
Personally on the Sharrock/Moye race it's a hard decision. If I was going to vote for Burkhart for Mayor I would probably vote for Sharrock just because there doesn't need to be "teams" per say on the council. Moye/Burkhart put their signs too close. But that's the only reason neither are bad....I don't think.
 
Torre
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11/01/2007 02:41:48 PM
Ok. does anyone care about the City of LaFayette's upcoming election? I care let me hear some feedback
 
bygracethrufaith
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11/01/2007 02:08:38 PM
lee, sorry for the assumption....my bad :) thank you for clarifying your statements. This is the kind of information that I have been looking for.

Rabbit, thank you for your comments as well. You seem to have good reasons for your conviction on the Egeland/Smith issue.

What about Moye?
 
bygracethrufaith
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11/01/2007 01:45:53 PM
Ringgoldone,
It is good that you are supportive of your wife, however, I have been able to discern MUCH in the past that has turned out to be true, as well...credit given to the Holy Spirit which dwells within me, of course. Based on this, your wife and I seem to be discerning in opposite directions. I will not get into a spiritual discussion of the gifts here. But I will say that discernment comes from experience...in other words, if you tell me that your wife hears voices, then no, I will not take you seriously.

Again though, you are stating something here that I REALLY wish could be backed up... if I call the CCN will they tell me of a threatened lawsuit from Cobb? He seems to have an aweful lot of power already, why run for a mayoral position that apparently does not even have the power to keep your name out of the mud??? It is just a shame that you have so many statements without evidence...if you had more proof, my decision would be much easier.

Back to the Christianity..I will state briefly: If I followed you around for a day, what would I find? Jesus also said to first remove the beam from thine own eye. He also said if your eye offends you, pluck it out. He said hate is the same as murder, lust is the same as adultery. Remember, the words of Jesus were directly to JEWISH people. He used their own LAWs to show them how sinful they really were. They were puffed up because of their works, thinking they were pretty much sinless, until Jesus pointed out to them the reason why they needed a Savior after all. We are not to try to LIVE out what Jesus said to the Jewish people on how to live their lives...we aren't the nation of Israel. We are the grafted in Gentiles, never under the law-but under GRACE. Our "fruit" as the Born Again believer should be OTHER born again believers. -Then you speak of the Fruits of the Spirit...one could ask the same of you concerning your statements against Cobb.....Where is the love, Where is the Kindness, where is the self-control (ie. bashing with little evidence other than spiritual guidance) -Again, please don't use the "christian" measuring stick with me...we are all sinners who can't "measure up." The Bible also says that anything NOT OF FAITH is sin...that doesn't leave out much of anything...now I ask you, are some sins greater than others in the eyes of God???
Also, and please know that I mean NO offense by this: please ask your wife not to tell me what to pray for...the Bible tells me what to pray for. I read and study for myself, and do not wish to have other's input concerning my prayer life. If God needs me to know something, He will reveal it to me in His Holy Scriptures.
Sorry, that wasn't so brief, was it...

Can someone please give me something factual, as I asked for in the previous post??? -Without religious ties to actions, thoughts, words, etc., please. I am thinking of voting early, as it fits into my schedule better.

 
RabbitNFO
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11/01/2007 01:26:02 PM
ByGrace, I voted for Richard Egeland. I supported his campaign and even campaigned for him. I wanted a change, pure and simple. He has a lot of good ideas and will stand up to those that oppose him. Good for him. Now the bad news - the way in which he conducts himself, particularly in the public eye, is a disgrace to FO and an embarassment to the council if you ask me. His personal life has bled over into his public life and has caused more turmoil for the council and the citizens of FO than it ever should have. I'm through with this hot head.

I have known Johnny "Red" Smith for many years, as most in the FO community have. Besides having been a peace officer, Red has also served our community as Assistant Chief of Police and acting Chief of Police. He knows the community well, and I believe carries the respect of his peers as well as the residents he served. I believe he is committed to the community, and knows the issues (and the political players) about as well as anyone I have met. He's no babe-in-the-woods and I think he is up to the challenges any councilperson would face.

Just as in 4 years ago, I am looking for a change. While I cannot deny I am voting partially against Egeland, I am nonetheless VOTING FOR Red. I think he will do his best to pull FO out of the funny pages and put us back on the front pages.

 
lee2854
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11/01/2007 01:19:25 PM
Grace,

Sorry for just giving my opinions of Ronnie Cobb, but I too have had a personal occurrence that I have forgiven him for, but even forgiveness doesn't mean I think he should be mayor. I agree with ringgold. If there was a third candidate then that would be great, both have issues and Ronnie is just more vindictive. From my research here's a few comments on the beer and wine issue and liquor the the drink. Also a couple regarding training for the police department and the fire department. He has a way with words that in the paper it seems so nice, but in real life it's not. Vote your conscience and that's all I ask. I am just giving you mine. Oh on a lighter note what makes you think I am a "he"....just because of the lee. Have a nice day.

**Ronnie Cobb’s stance on the training center for Police/Fire depts. He thought that property should be used for commercial and putting “burn pits” there would set the property back. I don’t think putting a training center for police/fire would be a set back for a former piece of property used for sewage treatment plant. I would allow police and fire to do training while staying in district than having to have others on duty while off training out of district like in Chattanooga or Walker County. Oh and there is absolutely no growth on or around that property except for more storage buildings and this is a few years later.

Councilman Ronnie Cobb said the center is not a necessity.
“I don’t think we need to spend this kind of money when we can use Walker County or Chattanooga’s facilities,” he said prior to the council meeting.
The councilman said the money for the center could be used to pay for much-needed city sewer projects instead. He added that as commercial growth increases on Mack Smith Road, the property where the center will be built might turn out to be a very valuable asset and the city might be better off eventually selling the land.
Developer Emerson Russell said plans are underway to construct office buildings, restaurants and a gymnastics facility just north of where the training center will be located, and he is concerned about the negative impact on business owners.
“If we’re going to have things like burn pits there, I think people will start taking a second look,” he said. “This will set that area back.”

**This is from 2002 when beer and wine was voted in and Ronnie saying that it’s only beer and wine not liquor.

Restaurants will not be permitted under the ordinance to serve liquors such as vodka, whiskey or tequila. “We’ve set the bar real high,” Councilman Ronnie Cobb said. “That rules out a sleaze bar, a walk-in bar, even sports bars.”
Cobb noted upscale restaurants like Red Lobster or O’Charley’s will not locate in Fort Oglethorpe unless they can serve beer and wine. He said quality motels and other businesses will follow the restaurants into Fort Oglethorpe and stimulate the local economy.

**This is from 2005 when he said that liquor isn’t that bad. He just changes with the times and if restaurants want beer and wine then ok, if they want liquor no…but not now if they want liquor ok.

Councilman Ronnie Cobb said he attended meetings with officials from two major restaurant chains who would consider Fort Oglethorpe if the city had liquor by the drink.
“You have to put it out to the people and let them vote,” he said. “They’re the ones that pay the taxes and spend their money. If it has a residual effect of bringing some nicer restaurants in here or maybe a hotel convention center, I’d just be all over that.”
Cobb said he expects and understands opposition, but adding stronger alcohol will not be detrimental to the city.

**In response to training for fire department…since I want the firefighters that are going to possibly come save me to have their training from the internet because that’s hands on.

Councilman Cobb said more training for the fire department as well as the city needs to be sought on the Internet.
 
ringgoldone
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11/01/2007 12:27:30 PM
Grace:

You won't find much if anything negative in the CCN about Cobb. A few years ago they starting printing some of the truth about him, and he threatened to sue them. They have backed off ever since.

As far as evaluating his Christianity, Jesus said we would know them by their fruits (actions and attitudes). And remember he brought his beliefs into the election by touting his church membership and activites. You and I both know that neither of those make you a Christian.

I know none of us are perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but in all the years I have had to observe him in leadership I have yet to see him demostrate any fruit of the Spirit. Where is the love? Where is the kindness? Where is the self-control?

He has demonstrated that he is a hot-head and power hungry (that is why he and Judy O are such good friends). If you could watch the tapes of the council meetings when he was in office, you could see him in action.

The reason he flip-flopped on the full-time mayor issue is that he didn't want Judd to have more power than him.

I don't question that Judd has issues, but he has always seemed like he was trying to work with everyone for the betterment of Fort O. He has Cobb to thank for much of his personal issues becoming public. Cobb was even going to get involved in his divorce proceeding to work against Judd. Funny that when Cobb's son was pulled over for a DUI, he found a way to make that go away, even after cussing the officer who responded to the call.

I'll give you a definitive reason as to why I could never support Cobb for anything. My wife (please take this seriously) has the spiritual gift of discernment. It is her primary gift, even though she would rather not have it. She can spot a phony (Judy O) a mile away, and she is almost always right on target. Her first response from observing Cobb is that he is evil and dangerous. She has shared this with others who know him, and they have confirmed it.

I wish there was a third candidate who would make a good leader, but unfortunately the choice is between the lesser of 2 evils. And trust me Judd is the only reasonable choice.

I mentioned to my wife your inclination to vote for Cobb and she said that you had better really pray about it and know for certain that is what God would have you do. You would do well to dissuade anyone you know from voting for him.
 
bygracethrufaith
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11/01/2007 10:50:47 AM
Rabbit,
Thanks for posting an actual event that you have experienced. I'm not one to make decisions based other's opinions of a person based on their personal convictions against them. I saw Lee post below, in his own words, the results of the search that he came up with on CCNews concerning Cobb's broken promises. However, there are no links and no references to articles. I have searched out articles myself and have not found any that say what he has posted. I would very much like for him to post the links to the articles that he is referring to.
On the other hand, I'm seeing articles of a hot-headed Burkhart, cursing at folks who don't agree with him, looking as though he's using his postition as a reason not to be treated as other citizens when he or his family does something wrong, getting arrested for breaking a mutual restraining order against his ex- by lunging at her at an E. Ridge restaurant... not to mention, a few items that just don't "look" right to me, that I won't mention individually, because it may not be actual "fact" that there is wrong doing, just some shady-looking stuff. To compare blowing cigarette smoke out at a restaurant door, and voting for beer & wine by the drink to that seems a bit trivial to me.
My only problem with "opinions" when I'm attempting to chose the right candidate to vote for is when opinion is posted as fact, and in order for me to accept that, I would like proof of the fact. Also, when you attempt to elect someone based on so-called "christian" standards, be ready to be disappointed, because there is NO ONE who can live up to that.
Not sure about the whole Egeland debate. But if I were to go on other's opionions whom I have spoken to personally, I would end up voting for him as well. But I have not much info on Smith (that is fact), therefore, I 'm kind of up in the air about that one. I'm also not sure what ringgoldone's statement to the effect that if Smith wins, it won't matter about Moye- means. I am also confused as to why I see Moye & Burkhart signs together, as if they are president and vice-pres. Especially when I have read SEVERAL past articles in which Moye & Burkhart have voted opposite each other. Is it normal for Mayor & Protem to look as though they are running mates for the presidency? Perhaps I just haven't noticed folks campaigning like this before. This makes Moye look a little flip-floppy to me as well.
And don't get me wrong on Cobb...he may be a HORRIBLE person. I really don't know- but I'd rather have something to base this on that can be considered as FACT rather than just OPINION. Since this IS a place to post your opinion, there is nothing wrong with that...but when you read statements below against the man that basically say things like, "don't vote for him, he's a liar, he doesn't keep promises" and let's not forget, "he's a bad christian" I just REALLY would like to have something that will back that up, perhaps a newspaper article, something on record at city hall, records stating wrong-doing, etc. before listing accusations to sway my vote in the other direction. I asked for info on him,
I apologize for not asking for FACTUAL info on him that could be backed up -as the claims against Burkhart ARE. If he is so terrible for the city, SURELY there is something SOMEWHERE that will prove this.

 
RabbitNFO
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11/01/2007 09:52:43 AM
The recent endorsement of the FOP is kind of stange if you ask me. I don't recall in recent memory (I could be wrong) that the FOP has stepped out on a limb to endorse anyone in our little town. Now, they have chosen to back a candidate that has, as a couple have pointed out, switched his vote and voted against the police department (and fire dept. too).

Ringgoldone, I think Ronnie's term is not "team" but rather "squeaky wheels". I get so tired of the phrase.

It should be pointed out that Egeland has the same persecution complex. Only he isn't being persecuted, his wife is. And it isn't the team or squeaky wheels out to get her, it's EVERYONE. Someone should point out to Mr. Egeland that if he wants the public to forget about his wife's shenanigans then maybe HE ought to shut up about it and quit bringing it up everytime there is a microphone within 20 feet of his mouth. By the way, he too is a he-man-squeaky-wheel-hater. Odd, it was the squeaky wheels that put him into office to begin with (and probably will be the ones to take him out).

ByGrace, I understand your issue with our 'opinions' of Cobb. But my opinion was formed by Cobb's previous actions. Ronnie stood in my mother-in-law's front yard and told her and some of my family that HE WOULD NOT SUPPORT alcohol coming into Fort O. Not only did he vote for the referendum, he later showed up on the sassy goat milk hour and proclaimed he never did any door-to-door stumping on the issue. A forgotten promise is one thing, to lie about it, another. I do try to keep on top of the issues and I have seen Ronnie's views sway from his promises. I do read the paper and know that Ronnie claims credit for everything that is good and nothing that is evil (though, a few weeks ago on the sassy goat milk hour he did give credit for alot of the grants the city is now entitled to as the brainchild of Virginia Smith and Sue Bales). I do attend council meetings and have seen Ronnie be rude and demeaning to the public during his term as councilman. I don't want any part of him as our city leader.
 
bygracethrufaith
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10/31/2007 03:40:48 PM
Ringgoldone & lee, I'm getting a little confused here. I've searched out both Cobb and Burkart on the CCNews archives, and what you have spoken of below seems to be a bit off according to what they have reported. It seems that Cobb was intitially in favor of the reforendum for the full-time mayor issue, as long as the responsibilities and authority was outlined...then changed his mind because he did not agree with the terms and with all of the power that the mayor would have. That doesn't really sound like "vehemently opposing" to me. And, you also said that he lied alot in his past office as councilman. I would need some examples before I could agree with you on that. It looks as though he was in favor of the beer and wine by the drink sales all along...not sure where the lie is there.
Now as far as this "christian-like" stuff, excuse me, but this type of condemnation on folks is extremely uncalled for. You cannot judge a person's soul on the basis of their actions, only GOD can do that. Now if you disagree with his actions, or anyone's for that matter, that is fine - but don't bring christianity into it. We obviously are ALL sinners, or else we would not have needed Jesus in the first place. In God's eyes, it's no better to look down upon and be critical to people who do not measure up to your "christian" standards than it is to smoke a cigarette near a door or be in favor of alcohol sales. I don't agree with MUCH of what MANY politicians do, but I cannot judge their status with God based on what I don't like. So, if immorality is your issue with Cobb, I'm still a bit confused, as I see much more immoral and shady situations reported on Burkhart than with Cobb. So far, I'm in favor of Cobb. If you'd like to sway me, or others that may plan to vote for him, we need more proof of why he should not be in office. All that I have seen so far is opinion.
 
lee2854
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10/31/2007 09:36:14 AM
That full-time mayor talk is convenient and just as I expected. That would be the WORST thing to ever happen for Cobb to have the power a full-time mayor slot comes with. Scary thoughts....
 
ringgoldone
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10/31/2007 06:14:48 AM
Cobb was also vehemently opposed to a full-time mayor when he was on the council. But now that he is running (which everyone knew he would do when he lost the last council election), his compatriot and mouthpiece (Judy O) has publicly declared that Fort O needs a full-time mayor. Interesting timing, don't you think?

The only change Fort O needs is definitely Egeland and perhaps Moye. Judd may not be the best, but he is lightyears ahead of Cobb.

One other thing to tell you what kind of "man" Cobb is. After Georgia banned public smoking, my family and I went out to a local restaurant. In front of the establishment, there was Cobb, as close to the door as he could get, blowing his smoke so we all had to breathe it.

Definitely not a Christian attitude, but not at all surprising.

Get ready for Cobb's "the team is against me" tactic. About this time, every time he runs, "someone" sends out a flier telling about all the bad things Ronnie has done. He blames it on "the team". Funny how that all gets dropped and forgotten after the election. We never find out who the "someone" or "team" is. It is nothing more than a smokescreen he uses to get sympathy votes.

Also noticed that Egeland is "endorsed by the FOP". Wonder which member authorized that? Wonder when all of the members were polled?

No Ronnie hasn't seen the light about alcohol. He doesn't let his brand of religion affect his "business" decisions. That is what he and Alan Marshall called their votes. Interesting that Mark Lindsay was quoted the other day as saying that population growth was what had attracted all the new business to Fort O. Wonder why he didn't mention alcohol sales? Because it is not a factor (and I was told that very thing by an O'Charley's rep before they moved in).

 
sleepingbeauty
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10/31/2007 01:14:43 AM
Lee2854 you are exactly right! Richard Egeland along with Ronnie Cobb voted against the police & fire training center. Stating in a council meeting I attended that the fire dept. personnel should not attend a training session in Florida and instead should use the internet for any additional training. Yet his campaign signs state he is being endorsed by the F.O.P anyone else smell a rat here? FORTOONE: Does Mr.Cobb's church bowling league endorse drinking? Or did he see the light after he voted twice to endorse it in our city after the citizens spoke on the referendum.

 
RabbitNFO
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10/30/2007 09:57:35 PM
Thanks for that endorsement, FORTOONE, or should we just call you Judy?!?
 
FORTOONE
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10/16/2007 02:40:22 PM
I happen to know Ronnie Cobb to be a fine upstanding Christian man that loves Fort Oglethorpe and wants only the best for it. I think Judd's reputation speaks volumes about what kind of man he is. I believe Ronnie would make a very good mayor and would have the best interest of the citizens in mind, not his own personal gain. The people of Fort Oglethorpe are ready for a change and I believe you will see one on November 6.
 
ringgoldone
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10/16/2007 10:51:03 AM
Also watch Cobb's negativity toward his opponent. He basically wants to discount everything Judd has accomplished, making it appears as if he (Cobb) is the only one who has ever done anything good for Fort O.

He speaks with forked tongue!
 
ringgoldone
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10/12/2007 09:53:13 AM
Grace

I think Lee has given us a pretty clear picture of the "real" Ronnie Cobb.

He will promise anything to get elected and do the exact opposite afterwards. He was dead set against having the Mayor's position be full-time (no city manager) when he was on the council. If he were to get elected, I would fully expect him to pursue that issue (because it would benefit him).

He is married to County Commissioner Ken Marks' ex-wife, and they are all (according to Cobb) the best of friends. During Marks' election run, Cobb spread the rumor that it was illegal to elect Pat Silcox because her husband was on the the Fort O council.

He is the perfect match for Judy O., another who has an overinflated opinion of herself. Cobb's friendship with her is more than enough reason to vote against him.
 
lee2854
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10/12/2007 08:10:46 AM
Let’s see Ronnie Cobb has this ability to speak to the newspapers in a way that sounds kinda good, but he really is plotting some backstabbing plan behind everyone’s back. He fools people with his speech and he fake compassion. He takes credit for things that happen that he really had nothing to do with and just ultimately has a wicked mind that can trick people and get votes.

Some of his not so bright moments as councilman,
*Voted to keep City Manager Paul Page, probably the worst one we’ve had, they were big buddies for some odd reason

*Tried to talk around money mishandling rumors when Paul Page was still City Manager

*Voted for beer and wine, which if I remember right was something that he was not going to vote for while he was a candidate, he used the Christian line and what church he goes to, then changed his tune after in office

*Voted against the Police/Fire training center to be built on Mack Smith Road on the property owned by the City that was the sewage treatment plant; it still passed

*Convinced another council to revote and took back decision on training center b/c it wasn’t a necessity and fire and police personnel could get training on the Internet; he also said the property could make the city some money by making a mall or restaurant, but it still is sitting property that was a sewage treatment plant

These are just minor ones I found from Catoosa County news search. There was also a new finance director hired after the one in the position retired and a lot of money mishandling and backstabbing went on while this new woman was in there and budgets were screwed up and everyone was in an uproar. He was big buddies with this woman also. His buddies seem to run in the same crowd and it’s not a good one.

Besides all that he just isn’t a good example as you say for mayor either, when I flip through channels and see him on UCTV I just have to turn it b/c he is so fake. Right now the mayor essentially doesn’t have a vote in anything unless there is a tie, I could see in the future Cobb changing charter and everything else to make the Mayor position have more power. You just can’t put anything past him.

I know that Burkhart doesn’t have the brightest past, but he can just be mayor and less trouble will be around when Cobb is sitting on that pedestal sparks fly b/c he is so self righteous.


 
bygracethrufaith
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10/12/2007 12:14:43 AM
ringgoldone,
you'll have to educate me on Cobb...so far I haven't found much about him...however Burkhart seems to have been finding himself in some questionable circumstances for quite a while according to the articles that I was able to pull up online. And it looks like Burkhart has caused quite a bit of a fuss within the council himself...
Then there's things like being arrested in East Ridge, sexual harrassment charges, the police chief who was let go after the wife got a ticket... seems like there was more, but it escapes me at the moment. And yes, I also read these things were dropped, however, it does seem strange that one person, who happens to be in office, seems to be surrounded by so much controversy. This is a small town, there should not be THAT much going on with one person, the one person who should be trying to set a good example for the city???
Again, please educate me on Cobb - right now, I'm leaning in his direction....if I should not be, I need to know why.
 
ringgoldone
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10/10/2007 11:50:02 AM
If Johnny "Red" Smith defeats Egeland, then it won't matter about Moye.

BUT, please do not vote for Cobb! It is a shame that someone with honesty and integrity did not choose to run in this election. But given the state of politics in Fort O, who can blame them?

Just go back to when Cobb has been on the council and look at the promises he has failed to keep. Look at the dissension he has caused on the council. He is the last person Fort O should want to be their mayor!

It is like voting for the lesser of two evils.
 
lee2854
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10/10/2007 09:40:49 AM
I don't think I would quite put it that way especially for someone new to the area that doesn't realize how stupid that comment really is. I think if you just vote for whoever is against them then you will be making a mistake. Moye isn't perfect...neither is Burkhart....BUT Cobb is far far far from perfect. I don't know much about Sharrock and that would be something to investigate b/c if I just voted for him and then he ends up being the worst thing ever I would regret it (I AM NOT SAYING HE IS). I mean do your homework and don't fall for Cobb's honesty and integrity story (if you do your homework you will realize this point). Burkhart is not the best possible mayor for Fort O by far but are we wanting to go backwards?

This is just my opinion and any voter can vote their conscience, but they need to do their homework. Remember I am not a citizen of the city but the city officials do concern me b/c of my elderly mother living in the city.
 
please
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10/10/2007 09:28:27 AM
If anyone is running against Moye, vote for them. If anyone is running against Burkhart, vote for them. It's real easy - you've got to have a change. Neither of them have done anything but make the city a laughing stock of the area.
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