Fort Oglethorpe council member calls for other side to police allegations; city attorney tells council not to discuss case
Monday October 22, 2007 9:21:39pm
Fort Oglethorpe council member Richard Egeland said the public should hear the whole story concerning a recent arrest in which a police officer was accused of abusing his power and mistreating a cancer patient.
Immediately following a council meeting Monday, Oct. 22, Egeland took matters into his own hands after Ron Goulart, city attorney and interim city manager, ordered city employees and advised the council to not speak about the arrest or about the police department losing its honorary certification more than a year ago.
Both items had been on the City Council’s meeting agenda at Egeland’s request. But the council voted to strike them, along with all public and council comments after Mayor Judd Burkhart asked for a motion to do so. The rest of the council left after the meeting adjourned, but Egeland continued speaking, advising those in attendance at the meeting to keep their seats.
“The (police) chief was discredited, lied about, and wasn’t given a chance to (respond to the allegations),” Egeland said, part of the time talking over Goulart’s urges to be quiet. Goulart turned off Egeland’s microphone and stepped away from the meeting area.
In an interview later, Goulart said that because there is an ongoing investigation into the matter, he advised the council to keep quiet for now.
Asked if Police Chief Larry C. Black would be given an opportunity to give the other side of the story after the investigation is complete, Goulart said, “We’ll do some sort of press release.”
Brian M. House said he was representing Black as his attorney and had originally planned to read a prepared statement in regard to the items Egeland requested be on the agenda. They didn’t.
However, House, Black, Burkhart and Goulart met privately for nearly half an hour before the meeting, and House said he was informed that city employees “would be possibly terminated” if they spoke on the matter at all.
“He can’t even apologize to the lady,” House said.
Attorney memo
Danny L. Botts Sr. was arrested Sept. 20 and charged with having an expired license plate. His sister soiled her clothes in the parking lot because the arresting officer wouldn’t let her inside City Hall to use the bathroom, Botts told the council at an Oct. 8 meeting. Yet, when Black stood up at that meeting to respond after Botts’ speech, Burkhart told him not to make any comments.
Egeland said that since parts of the issue have already been discussed publicly, people have a right to know the entire story.
On Oct. 16, Egeland made the request for the items to appear on the council meeting agenda, according to a copy of a memo provided by officials at City Hall. “Under no circumstance is this not to be on the agenda,” Egeland wrote at the bottom of the memo. “I will advise the local TV and Catoosa paper.”
Goulart responded with a memo to the mayor and council the following day. “As your city attorney, I am advising you not to publicly discuss the matter concerning Mr. Botts as requested by Mr. Egeland,” he wrote. “This matter is under investigation not only legally but from the personnel standpoint that very well may require you to hear evidence in a hearing at some future date.
“Also, it is my advice to you that until I receive written documentation concerning the certification issue as raised by Mr. Egeland, that you not publicly discuss this matter and allow the written documentation to speak for itself.”
Goulart ends the memo with a warning that, as public officials, council members who discuss those matters publicly could expose themselves “personally and individually to liability.”
Egeland debates
Nevertheless, Egeland engaged in a long dialog with Botts, his wife, Beth, and at times, his sister, Diane Galloway. All three said they attended Monday’s council meeting to get more information about what was going on since their case has been in the news so much. Danny Botts said no one had asked or advised them to come.
Egeland said a remark he made in The Catoosa County News following Botts’ Oct. 8 comments to the council was not intended as a slur against the family. He said— and still maintained at Monday’s nights meeting — that the family was being used for political purposes as a way to get rid of Black as police chief.
Some council members have expressed concern about his job performance but declined to say why.
For several minutes, Egeland and Danny and Beth Botts engaged in a conversation in which Egeland repeatedly said he believed the family was being used. The Bottses repeatedly said no one had attempted to manipulate them in any way.
“I chose to come to that council meeting because I wanted you all to know the condition my sister was in,” Danny Botts said.
Botts later got up and left the council room, saying he hadn’t come to the meeting to make public comments. Several news media representatives had arrived as the night progressed.
Black didn’t comment on the case, but at a couple of points he urged Egeland to remain calm. Egeland had told Goulart to leave the room if he didn’t agree with what he wanted to say and called him “despicable” for the way he has handled the matters.
“Just keep it calm and have a discussion if you want to have a discussion, but keep it calm,” Black told him.
Black attends nearly all council meetings and is usually called to step in whenever a council member or audience member gets very excited.
However, Beth Botts said she too would like to let Black have an opportunity to give the police department’s side of the story. The full name of the officer who arrested her husband wasn’t publicly disclosed at either council meeting, but he was called down to City Hall just before the council meeting.
Goulart said he planned to meet with him within the next day or two and hoped to wrap up his investigation in about a week. He said that, any disciplinary action notwithstanding, the department will implement sensitivity training in the future.
Immediately following a council meeting Monday, Oct. 22, Egeland took matters into his own hands after Ron Goulart, city attorney and interim city manager, ordered city employees and advised the council to not speak about the arrest or about the police department losing its honorary certification more than a year ago.
Both items had been on the City Council’s meeting agenda at Egeland’s request. But the council voted to strike them, along with all public and council comments after Mayor Judd Burkhart asked for a motion to do so. The rest of the council left after the meeting adjourned, but Egeland continued speaking, advising those in attendance at the meeting to keep their seats.
“The (police) chief was discredited, lied about, and wasn’t given a chance to (respond to the allegations),” Egeland said, part of the time talking over Goulart’s urges to be quiet. Goulart turned off Egeland’s microphone and stepped away from the meeting area.
In an interview later, Goulart said that because there is an ongoing investigation into the matter, he advised the council to keep quiet for now.
Asked if Police Chief Larry C. Black would be given an opportunity to give the other side of the story after the investigation is complete, Goulart said, “We’ll do some sort of press release.”
Brian M. House said he was representing Black as his attorney and had originally planned to read a prepared statement in regard to the items Egeland requested be on the agenda. They didn’t.
However, House, Black, Burkhart and Goulart met privately for nearly half an hour before the meeting, and House said he was informed that city employees “would be possibly terminated” if they spoke on the matter at all.
“He can’t even apologize to the lady,” House said.
Attorney memo
Danny L. Botts Sr. was arrested Sept. 20 and charged with having an expired license plate. His sister soiled her clothes in the parking lot because the arresting officer wouldn’t let her inside City Hall to use the bathroom, Botts told the council at an Oct. 8 meeting. Yet, when Black stood up at that meeting to respond after Botts’ speech, Burkhart told him not to make any comments.
Egeland said that since parts of the issue have already been discussed publicly, people have a right to know the entire story.
On Oct. 16, Egeland made the request for the items to appear on the council meeting agenda, according to a copy of a memo provided by officials at City Hall. “Under no circumstance is this not to be on the agenda,” Egeland wrote at the bottom of the memo. “I will advise the local TV and Catoosa paper.”
Goulart responded with a memo to the mayor and council the following day. “As your city attorney, I am advising you not to publicly discuss the matter concerning Mr. Botts as requested by Mr. Egeland,” he wrote. “This matter is under investigation not only legally but from the personnel standpoint that very well may require you to hear evidence in a hearing at some future date.
“Also, it is my advice to you that until I receive written documentation concerning the certification issue as raised by Mr. Egeland, that you not publicly discuss this matter and allow the written documentation to speak for itself.”
Goulart ends the memo with a warning that, as public officials, council members who discuss those matters publicly could expose themselves “personally and individually to liability.”
Egeland debates
Nevertheless, Egeland engaged in a long dialog with Botts, his wife, Beth, and at times, his sister, Diane Galloway. All three said they attended Monday’s council meeting to get more information about what was going on since their case has been in the news so much. Danny Botts said no one had asked or advised them to come.
Egeland said a remark he made in The Catoosa County News following Botts’ Oct. 8 comments to the council was not intended as a slur against the family. He said— and still maintained at Monday’s nights meeting — that the family was being used for political purposes as a way to get rid of Black as police chief.
Some council members have expressed concern about his job performance but declined to say why.
For several minutes, Egeland and Danny and Beth Botts engaged in a conversation in which Egeland repeatedly said he believed the family was being used. The Bottses repeatedly said no one had attempted to manipulate them in any way.
“I chose to come to that council meeting because I wanted you all to know the condition my sister was in,” Danny Botts said.
Botts later got up and left the council room, saying he hadn’t come to the meeting to make public comments. Several news media representatives had arrived as the night progressed.
Black didn’t comment on the case, but at a couple of points he urged Egeland to remain calm. Egeland had told Goulart to leave the room if he didn’t agree with what he wanted to say and called him “despicable” for the way he has handled the matters.
“Just keep it calm and have a discussion if you want to have a discussion, but keep it calm,” Black told him.
Black attends nearly all council meetings and is usually called to step in whenever a council member or audience member gets very excited.
However, Beth Botts said she too would like to let Black have an opportunity to give the police department’s side of the story. The full name of the officer who arrested her husband wasn’t publicly disclosed at either council meeting, but he was called down to City Hall just before the council meeting.
Goulart said he planned to meet with him within the next day or two and hoped to wrap up his investigation in about a week. He said that, any disciplinary action notwithstanding, the department will implement sensitivity training in the future.
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Comments: 160 Joined: 10/09/2006 |
11/05/2007 11:26:40 PM
Rabbit, maybe so. But, do you actually believe the people of Fort Oglethorpe are going to vote for a man who urinated in his pants when his fellow officer was shot in front of him without pulling his weapon and blowing the woman's brains out? Wheelchair Tony would be a better candidate. At least Tony has guts. Run Tony Run! Hey, everybody, write in Wheelchair Tony for that council seat. |
Comments: 37 Joined: 10/30/2007 |
11/05/2007 09:26:33 AM
Did anyone catch (either of) Mr. Egeland's hour spots on UCTV? In my opinion he has lost it. He's out of control and bordering on dangerous. |
Comments: 19 Joined: 10/30/2007 |
11/02/2007 02:47:13 AM
Just a reminder that tomorrow is the last day to early vote in Ft.Oglethorpe's election. |
Comments: 1608 Joined: 03/14/2007 |
10/30/2007 12:13:22 PM
I'm clear then...the claim is that a lady was released from a traffic stop, told she could leave, but told she could not enter an open public building to use the restroom.......I now understand the "claim", will say that if it's true the officer was wrong in his actions.........but must also say I'm very skeptical and believe that there is another part of the story that is not being told by the Future Plaintiffs in a Lawsuit, and that is what Egeland is asking for.........The public, especially family members and friends of the "wronged", always jump on the bash law enforcement bandwagon............It all begins with our children who would never do anything wrong and therefore Law Enforcement, upon arresting our children, are either liars, mistaken or possibly it's "just those kids he hangs around with".......It moves on to our siblings, parents, co-workers, etc, that everytime one has negative contact with law enforcement, we listen to their "claim" and automatically take it to be the gospel. I'll hold my judgment until we have BOTH sides of the story.............I don't think it's political, more likely financial. (By the way, the "all we want is an apology" statement that you always here, is what people's attorneys tell them to say, hoping the police will apologize for something they never did, in an attempt to make it go away, then when the lawsuit is filed, not only do the police have to deny the claim, they also have to explain why they apologized if they never did anything wrong.) |
Comments: 627 Joined: 07/24/2006 |
10/30/2007 11:56:24 AM
Egeland's and Judy O's agenda is to get Ronnie Cobb elected as mayor. In Sunday's News Free Press, Judy said she thought Fort O needed a full-time mayor. Wonder who put that in her ear?When Cobb was a councilman, he was dead set against it. If he gets elected (Heaven forbid!), see how long it takes for him to push to be full-time. Judy O says she is not taking sides, but we all know better. Look at how many liberals she has as "co-hosts" before they run for election. They get a lot of free airtime, which is legal under the letter of the law because they haven't declared. But it is obvious what her agenda is. And keeping things stirred up means ratings (such as they are) and advertising dollars for her. It's all about the $$$. |
Comments: 127 Joined: 10/23/2007 |
10/30/2007 09:42:35 AM
Why is her age so important?? if this had been ANY ill lady.. regardless of age, it was wrong to act the way this officer did. i believe she is just in her 50's though. anyway, i agree.. saying this was politically motivated is just ludacrous! What Dumb people we have running things! i cant wait to see how the election turns out. Egeland.. what a moron.... ""Egeland said the vote to strike comments happened so quickly he didn’t know what to do and wasn’t completely sure whether he voted yes or just remained silent. """ well, for heaven's sake.. get someone in office that KNOWS how they vote!!! good grief! |
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10/30/2007 09:01:36 AM
Yes, Rome, the claim is that the brother was arrested ( for suspended tags - reason unclear ) and the sister was refused entrance to City Hall which was open to use the restroom. She was advised to walk down the street to a restaurant. Of course it is not a political issue for this family - that claim is ridiculous. They had no more political motives than the goat! They just wanted an apology for the lady being treated like dirt. But Ft Oglethorpe doesn't respect people - it's as simple as that. |
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10/30/2007 01:45:21 AM
Is anyone besides me tired of everyone (if you consider Rich Egeland and Judy O'Neal to be everyone) saying this was politically motivated?!? The only ones I see making this a political issue are those two. I didn't think this would actually blow over but I did think it might fall quiet in a week or two. The two primary banner carriers of this issue seem to be Richard and Judy. Wonder what their political agenda is. Surely those two aren't in bed together... ewwww. shudder the thought. There's not enough 'Sassy Goat Milk Soap' to wash that off... |
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10/26/2007 08:21:14 PM
Rome - It was reported that the officer told the woman she could use a restroom at a restaurant down the street. Obviusly he had no problem with her leaving the scene. If you saw this woman on tv, she has no hair and looks ill. Even if she had her hair covered she looks old and feeble enough that she should have been able to use the nearest restroom. |
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10/26/2007 06:39:44 PM
Danny L. Botts Sr. was arrested Sept. 20 and charged with having an expired license plate. His sister soiled her clothes in the parking lot because the arresting officer wouldn’t let her inside City Hall to use the bathroom, Botts told the council at an Oct. 8 meeting. Yet, when Black stood up at that meeting to respond after Botts’ speech, Burkhart told him not to make any comments.here ya go rome |
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10/26/2007 06:37:58 PM
Don't they suspend your drivers license too when you let insurance lapse?I have received several letters from the state saying mine had lapsed when it had'nt and they gave me like 30 days to get it all straightened out before suspending my license plate and license.I never let my insurance lapse but they failed to turn it in to the state several times.I have changed companies now tho.Could be they arrested him for his license being suspended? |
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10/26/2007 05:12:48 PM
yeah, your registration is most often suspended when you let your insurance lapse....and remains suspended even if you re-acquire insurance........you have to go to the tag office with your re-instated insurance and a reinstatement fee to get the suspension lifted..........You are no longer required to carry proof of insurance in your vehicle, but if the tag files show NO insurance or UNKNOWN insurance, then you can be arrested if you can't prove that you have current insurance.So, are the facts that the driver was arrested....the cancer patient asked if she could go to the restroom in City Hall, which was open at the time, and the officer said "NO! You can walk down the street". Is that what they are claiming happened? |
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10/26/2007 04:45:00 PM
It had something to do with a snafu at his insurance and the officer (as I understand it) called his supervisor and was told he had to arrest him. And he did admit to the officer that he knew it was suspended. Supposedly was on his way to take care of.Don't know the lady's age. Do know she has Stage IV cancer. Really obvious. |
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10/26/2007 03:44:35 PM
bygrace...can't help ya there.......Suspended Registration is not a mandatory arrestable offense. there is no difference between knowingly or unknowingly. All the state is required to do is send notice to your address of record on your registration (it's your responsibility to keep it up to date). I know when I was policing, I didn't let people get out of the car to go to bathroom or anything.........it was drilled into us in the academy that it hurts just as bad to get shot by a 90 year old woman as it does by a 17 year old man. Yeah, it hurt people's feelings, people complained about it often, but as a practical matter you'd be amazed at the number of people who are dying to go "potty" when they are pulled over. Sure, it would be great if the officer could use common sense and let this 100 year old woman with cancer (note: we still haven't heard this 'elderly" lady's age) go to the restroom...........but let me tell you realistically what happens when officer's start using "common sense"......If I stop you and your mother and your mother needs to go to the restroom so I allow her to........then the next car I stop is Bubba Smith and his younger brother who is 19, has hair down to his waist, rotten teeth and asks if he can go "drain the main vein"...and I don't let him......guess what? Then I'm judging people by their appearance, which is a no-no in law enforcement. It's very difficult to do it, but they teach you to treat everyone the same, for good or bad, because the best defense to any lawsuit for your action is "I do that EVERY time I conduct a traffic stop for my safety". |
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10/26/2007 03:29:13 PM
Thanks, ringgoldone, I wasn't at all aware of that law. I wonder if they also arrest people who "knowingly" speed, or those who "knowingly" run through a stop sign(ie. come to a "rolling stop). So basically, you're saying that if he would have lied and said, "oh, officer, I didn't realize that the tag was out of date." rather than being honest and saying that he was aware of it, just hadn't had an opportunity to take care of it yet. (not a very good lie though-since the tag office is pretty good about mailing out the renewal notices) then he may not have been arrested? I would see more reason to be suspicious of a person who comes up with a story about how they "didn't know" the tag needed to be renewed. -Rather than the one who seems to have nothing to hide by being honest.Sounds kind of silly to me....that one doesn't work for drunk drivers who supposedly "don't know" they are drunk. We are getting a little too trusting when we can just go on the "word" of the person in question as to whether or not they will get arrested or just have a citation issued to them. Still sounds a little strange to me...Perhaps RomeGASir could give us some more insight on this one with his experience. If you are correct, that law definately needs to be modified. |
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10/26/2007 11:55:27 AM
GraceI think the issue is that he "knowingly" drove the vehicle when the tag had been suspended. I think the law requires that he be arrested in that case. Sounds like the law needs to be modified. |
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10/26/2007 11:42:34 AM
I am very confused as to how the action of pulling someone over on an expired tag turned into an arrest. Surely there is some information missing here. Perhaps someone can clear up the events for me- I was not aware that an expired tag would warrent an arrest any more than a speeding ticket would. Did the guy give the officer a hard time??? Something just doesn't add up. I'm all for our police officers doing what is necessary to protect themselves. Surely this officer felt some sort of threat to his safety to feel it neccesary to arrest the man on the basis of an expired tag. I do not know police protocol, but I was always under the impression that simple traffic violations usually ended with citations, unless the person has a previous criminal record, acts suspicious, or is threatening to the officer. It does seem to be a bit premature to expose only a part of the story when it seems that there is obviously more to it than we have here. As far as the elderly lady needing the restroom, It seems that separating the two was not an issue, as she was told that she could not enter city hall and that she must walk to a restaurant. Was there not another officer there who could stand guard in front of the restroom door if the officer was in fear of his safety? I do think it would have been better if the officer could speak his side of the story...even the family said they would like to hear from him. Perhaps it would better explain his actions, then a completely fair judgement could be made as to how to deal with the matter and make sure that precautions are taken so that something like this will not happen again. |
Comments: 618 Joined: 01/19/2007 |
10/26/2007 08:58:40 AM
You will go a long way if you use self control, especially when speaking in person. |
Comments: 127 Joined: 10/23/2007 |
10/26/2007 08:47:22 AM
well, just so it's said i do not enjoy swearing. I do it when i'm mad. It's my vocabulary.. i can stain it with 'swear words' if i choose to. I havnt seen anyone else swear today, but i dont frequent the forums.. just this particular one. |
Comments: 618 Joined: 01/19/2007 |
10/26/2007 06:17:09 AM
Sarah, it has always been my experience that people who enjoy swearing either do it to get attention or because they have a limited vocabulary. It seems to be the thing to do today |
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10/25/2007 09:19:35 AM
rome, HA you didnt have a leg to stand on on this one.. so you decide to assume i'm a high schooler from Catossa CRAP county who just walks around cussing everyone out.you're wrong. I've been out of highschool for 4 years. I'm an ADULT, and i only resort to cussing when someone ticks me off enough to bring it out of me. what i really meant was, if these people were elected officials.. they might not act so rude and inconsiderate to the people they're serving. Theymight think twice about pissing someone off just b/c they had a bad day. yeah, i do agree with whoever said if they would just apoligize - there wouldnt really be any story here. IT's just people cannot admit when they're in the wrong anymore. |
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10/25/2007 06:33:06 AM
By the way, I thought Mr. Egeland was very rude to the family |
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10/25/2007 06:31:12 AM
Guess I'll put my 2 cents in here with my friends, Rome, Willow and Wiley.It was reported on the news that the officer told the lady she could go down the street to use a bathroom at a restaurant so apparently he didn't have a problem with her leaving. I agree with you that the officers need to be concerned about their safety but if he truly told her she could leave, why not use the closest bathroom? There are plenty of people who can't walk a long distance and don't have cancer. |
Comments: 298 Joined: 04/27/2007 |
10/25/2007 05:45:23 AM
Bad health or not...it's wrong to deny a woman the use of a bathroom.I'm 48 years old and it's been the rule all my life..a woman can't go and hide behind a tree or turn her back to a wall like any man can.I really feel like this should have been avoided especially since you can obviously see that the lady is sickly.I realize that an expired tag is wrong on the brother's part but don't be mean to the sister because of it.It's not like they was robbing a bank. |
Comments: 627 Joined: 07/24/2006 |
10/25/2007 05:16:36 AM
There are more issues here than you know. First, at the chief's direction, there is a lot of fee grabbing going on. Write tickets - leave it to the judge to use common sense. He is following in the footsteps of his mentor - the sheriff. Next, the officer involved has the reputation of being a smart aleck, hot headed individual. Probably could benefit from some sensitivity training. Not sure what pushes his buttons, because he is not always like that. Maybe trying to impress his boss. Not sure what has happened to Egeland. Maybe Cobb has his ear. It will be a sad day for Fort O if either of them is elected in November. |
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10/24/2007 11:13:31 PM
All you have to do is park in front of any of the local schools and you will see parents dropping their kids off and they have Tennessee tags on their cars. Not suppose to be happening but it does. From what I'm reading here, it seems this woman does look as if she is dealing with some illness issues. Surely this officer could have looked at her and realized she was not well. Hind sight is 20 20 and if this officer would come out and say he was wrong in how he dealt with this incident I think everybody could pick up their toys and go back home and let it go. It's the fact no one can admit they might have been wrong that makes this continue to be an issue. This could have been my mother or father, or your mother and father that was treated this way. Thank God they aren't sick but some day they might. I would hate to see someone mistreated. Pride can be a very strong emotion but kindness is a much stronger gift. So the officer might have been fooled. Big deal, these are OUR paid protectors. We put them in places of power and influence. We can also take them out of these jobs. Imagine how this lady felt at the time and how she feels now. This has become such a big issue. How embarassing for this lady and yet no one has yet to tell her they are sorry for her troubles. We have only one life to live on this planet. Do you want to be remembered as a mean spirited person or someone that has compassion for those in a bad spot? And if you came busting into my house in the dark I shoot you dead also. There were so many ways that the Lady in Atlanta could have been dealt with than to leave her dead. There is no retake in death. They were wrong and this Lady is dead. Shame on those officers. |
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10/24/2007 05:28:37 PM
I have lots of respect for you Willow, but on this I am going to have to disagree with you. . Your tag being expired is a serious thing. But writing a ticket and and telling the person to go get their tag renewed would have been enough. True story, I got pulled over in Rossville a few years back, my tag was expired. I told the officer I had not taken the time to put it on the car, it was at my house. He said, well, I am going to let you go, but If I see you again driving on an expired tag, I will ticket you. This seems to be the protocol. Now as far as this lady goes, you can see she is sickly, she has no hair, the officer could have done something to help her. This is not a normal action of this police department. He must of been having a bad day and wasn't in the mood to help anyone. I have lived in this area for years, and have always seen FO officers doing nice things. But this.... Willow, is just wrong. He should apoligize and admitt he was wrong. That is all the lady wants. MO |
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10/24/2007 05:18:56 PM
Willow, The lady was not a drug dealer. The officers fabricated the evidence and search warrant that is why they plead guilty. |
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10/24/2007 05:09:29 PM
so your idea to bring integrity to LE is to elect each officer, LOL, genius. I can't wait til the days that our cops have as much integrity as those that we "elect" already.Cursing and name-calling? Is that what they're teaching at Catooser High? |
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10/24/2007 04:49:11 PM
Hello. Where does it say she was a drug dealer? The snitch gave her address instead of the real drug dealer's address. The police department did not find drugs in the home. Wouldn't they have mentioned that? If she was a big bad gangsta, then where's the dope or even the money roll? |
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10/24/2007 04:39:51 PM
Hummmm..............................Well, to answer your question of what would I do if I were that lady........................ I would assume that someone was after me because of the DRUGS I was dealing. If I were a drug dealer, I'd tell myself it was likely one or two things........ Druggies or cops................. Either way...............I would have created my own mess by being a drug dealer. Had I NOT been involved with illegal drugs.................... Then I would say I " thought " it was just a matter of defending my life and property. I think you are missing my point.............. Point being, someone ( in this case an elderly woman ), was a criminal . Thus bringing me right back to my point. Not all elderly people are nice , law abiding people. This lady in Atlanta that we are speaking of......................... Would be just an example of WHY cops and LE , don't and should not EVER take for granted that just because she or he looks like a sweet older person and treat them differntly than any other person when out the job. PLEASE....................Try to remember my point..................... PLEASE.......... W |
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10/24/2007 04:29:22 PM
Willow that story really doesn't support your point. The lady thought she was under assault by druggies, and probably terrified. She lived alone in a dangerous neighborhood. I remember this story and article states it was a no knock raid where they were prying her bars from the window and slamming through the door. What would you do by yourself with unknown people prying the bars from your windows and smashing through the door? A snitch under pressure because of his drug arrest provided false information to the police. Bad information. I don't remember what happened after the investigation of the police department for their tactics. That story is also out of Atlanta. This officer and the people live in Fort Oglethorpe. No comparison really. |
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10/24/2007 04:05:23 PM
WOW ROME !" You got served ! "...................... :) lol hahaha See ya 'round soon I am sure ! W |
Comments: 769 Joined: 05/25/2007 |
10/24/2007 03:59:38 PM
Just an example I tought I would share with all of you.Not all little ol' grey haired ladies are nice. ( same for the little ol' grey haired men ) I am not trying to get a huge debate stirred up here, I just wanna share with some of you WHY cops have to take special precautions in the line of duty. I still say, IF the cop gave this lady permission to leave the scene during a traffic stop, it was a bad choice on his part. Here is what you are missing. YOU knew the lady and I am sure you are correct in saying she's a sweetie. BUT....................The cop did not................. Tools: Save | Print | E-mail | Most Popular | Informant denies buying drugs at elderly Atlantan's home POSTED: 10:16 a.m. EST, November 28, 2006 Story Highlights• Police chief says federal authorities will probe raid that led to woman's death • Informant denies buying drugs at slain woman's home on the day of police raid • The narcotics team involved has been placed on paid leave • The chief promises to make "every document, every witness" available Adjust font size: ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- An informant cited in a search warrant as having purchased narcotics at an elderly Atlanta woman's house denies buying drugs there, authorities say. Undercover officers raiding the 88-year-old woman's house shot her to death last week after she fired on them while they broke down her door in a high-crime neighborhood. Federal prosecutors will investigate the case, Atlanta police Chief Richard Pennington announced Monday. (Watch when the snitch says he got the call to concoct a drug-buy story ) Pennington said the eight-member narcotics squad that took part in the raid has been placed on paid leave while investigators look into the informant's story and the circumstances surrounding the November 21 death of Kathryn Johnston. The informant also told investigators from the Atlanta police internal affairs bureau that he was told to lie about the matter, the chief said. "The FBI will investigate his statements, along with the police officers' statements as well," Pennington said. Authorities said Johnston opened fire on police who tried to enter her home, prying off burglar bars and forcing open her door, during a "no-knock" drug raid. Officers returned fire, killing her. Relatives put Johnston's age at 92, but Fulton County medical examiners said she was 88. Neighbors and relatives said the raid had to have been a mistake. They said Johnston lived alone and was so afraid of crime in her neighborhood west of downtown Atlanta that she wouldn't let neighbors who delivered groceries for her come into her home. |
Comments: 769 Joined: 05/25/2007 |
10/24/2007 03:45:18 PM
http://www.policelink.com/training/articles/5883-new-traffic-stop-trend-no-approachw |
Comments: 127 Joined: 10/23/2007 |
10/24/2007 03:43:05 PM
rome, who the heck do you think you are?? my job is to ""sit here and cry and complain""?!? Hell No. I have a REAL job.. i dont sit on here posting 1091 posts all day long about stuff i dont have annnnyy idea about, do i?! I came on here to say my peace about an injustice done to a family member. I dont sit on my computer all day long looking to put my two cents in about EVERYTHING going on in the county. and it wasn't me who gave those so-called "cops" a job.. how bout we ELECT those guys and we'll see who i vote for then! Maybe then they'd have some integrity in Catoosa County. I'm not sure of Diane's age.. but i know she has OBVIOUS terminal cancer and probably couldnt LIFT a weapon iIF she had one!! You're just too proud to actually admit that that Cop was out of line. Stick up for the bastards why dont you... when you come into contact with that same guy and he lets you crap yourself b/c you MIGHT have a corkscrew up your ass.. then maybe you'll be singing another tune. |
Comments: 769 Joined: 05/25/2007 |
10/24/2007 03:41:45 PM
Rome -Here's my thinking on the matter after reading the posts from today. Please says the the officer told the lady she could leave the scene to go potty BUT.............Insisted she go to a rest room further away where she would be unable to walk to it....... IF, it is true that the officer said okay, but go way down there when there was a facility right there. I would say he made a bad choice. It's not the worst bad choice he will make in his career , but it does not make since to say " okay....But.........." Had the cop just said, " no mam " not until this stop is completed...........I'd be behind his / her decision all the way. Traffic stops are far more dangerous than most LE calls. You never know who is in that car and what they might have. For everyone else...........Try to look at it from this point of view. Officer safety.......... Wasn't Ted Bundy picked up on a traffic violation ? How many drug transporters have been nabbed for speeding and / or improper tags ? What about the little old lady in Atlanta who shot an officer and killed him, while the department was executing a search warrant on her grandson who lived with her. The warrant being for drugs. The examples could go on forever ! I see where the officer safety is first priority. BUT..........There is also the other side of the coin........LE's expectation to assist and help the community in which they serve. If there is truth to the comment that the cop said she could leave the scene but refused to assist a citizen with physical limitations.........It probably could have been handled differently. Like I said......Had the officer just said , no I can't let anyone leave until I am done with my job.............I'd stand beind it all the way. To say it is " ignorant "..............Next time you see an episode of Cops or any other LE reality show and there is a cop who is assaulted on a traffic stop OR finds a mountain of weed or coke in the trunk of a car and weapons that were concealed...........Think about the measures the cop did take to protect thier safety. Think about what the family of an officer must go thru if thier loved one does not come home at the end of the day because he / she did sloppy work in protecting thier own life on a seemingly routine traffic stop. W |
Comments: 291 Joined: 08/18/2006 |
10/24/2007 03:41:04 PM
For Pete's sake, Sir, the officer said she could leave and walk down the street to a restaurant but she was unable to walk that far. It's not even an issue in this case whether proper police procedure is to keep the "criminals" together. I think the driver was probably going to receive a citation and was not under arrest or under any further suspicion. He might have needed to find a ride home. I don't think the officer needs to be fired, but sensitivity training would be helpful to most officers. It's a tough job for police officers when they encounter dangerous thugs, people with attitudes, etc., and then to lower the testosterone and regain that empathy that they must and should have. According to Sarah, Mrs. Galloway sounds pretty feeble. |
Comments: 1608 Joined: 03/14/2007 |
10/24/2007 03:04:44 PM
everyone always says "it wasn't me that chose these cops, it wasn't me that gave them sorry pay"....other than complain, what have you done to change it? Nothing, like everyone else, your job is to cry and complain..........anyone know how old the woman was? Seems to be getting lost in the mix...........the reason I ask, is when you tell me, I'll give a link to an article where a female of that age ambushed an officer and killed him.......and I seriously doubt that anyone other than a blogger on here would be at that officer's funeral saying "well, I'm glad he got shot, it would have been ignorant of him to assume someone was armed" |
Comments: 129 Joined: 08/17/2007 |
10/24/2007 09:55:10 AM
I understand not letting the occupants of the car separate for the officer's safety. But that doesn't seem to be the issue, with all due respect. What we were told was that he told her to walk down the street to a restaurant to use the restroom, and she was not able to walk that far. He suggested that they separate - just refused to let her in city hall. |
Comments: 127 Joined: 10/23/2007 |
10/24/2007 08:12:40 AM
I do know Mrs. Galloway and I wish you'd trust me when I say this officer didnt' have anything at all to worry about! What about her rights to come home in the same shape she left in? I have no doubt if she had any respect for an officer already, she sure as hell doesnt have any now. I havnt spoke with her on the matter, but she's a very forgiving lady and she has no ties to the stupid election or anything like that. I think Mr. Egeland thinks he found an excuse to not let anyone talk about it and I think Mr. Egeland is looking for an excuse for not being able to win this election or if he DOES win (hoping not) i'm sure he'll feel proud of himself for getting people to forget his actions. Poor Lady, I'm sure she just wants to put it behind her now and not even fight anymore. You can't win when you're dealing with jerks and undeserving city officials.It's so ignorant to think she 'may have had a weapon'.... what's she going to do? Pull a gun out of her purse that she can't even really hold up herself anymore? How stupid. THis is just bad police judgement. and willow, i agree if he had his tags in order this wouldnt have happened to begin with.. but the fact that he was pulled over.. still doesnt make it right for the officer to act the way he did. oh and one more thing, i dont know why, rome, you say 'thats what you got.. cops in it for reasons other then the money'... uhhhh i didnt decide to give them CRAP hours and wages and benefits... i didnt' decide to give them stupid regulations and procedures.. I didnt HIRE these good for nothing 'cops'. I know a few cops.. i know they are good people.. and i know (from asking) that they wouldnt have acted the way this cop did... so, stop taking up for someone who aint worth a crap b/c they're a fellow officer. OOOO he's a cop.. makes him perfect, right?? heck no!! i know more bad cops then good. |
Comments: 769 Joined: 05/25/2007 |
10/24/2007 05:43:09 AM
Don't you go sayin' anything like that about me !I " ain't " converted ! Like I have tried to tell ya all along.........I DO NOT , have it in for ALL things LE. I still think there are more than a fare share of bad LE officials out there. BUT...................Like I have told you many times.............. Right's right and wrong's wrong.............I try to be fair in every way. If I see LE doing the right things and doing them consistantly..........I give credit to those who do the right things in LE. The bad cops and agencies.......... I have ZERO tolerance for them. Surely you recall me telling you and others more than just a few times that I do NOT think everyone in LE is corrupt or bad.......... Don't you worry my friend...........I still have plenty of bad apples to b&$)h about ! hahaha w |
Comments: 1608 Joined: 03/14/2007 |
10/24/2007 04:47:12 AM
willow, You are now officially converted. |
Comments: 769 Joined: 05/25/2007 |
10/24/2007 02:35:12 AM
Rome -I'm with you on this one. ( " ain't " that a kick ! ) Has anyone seen the video tape of the " granny " who took her grandchild shop lifting, lately ? I think I saw it on Fox News the other day. Even Granny's and GrandPa's can be criminals. I am not syaing this lady was but had I been the officer.......I would have done the exact same thing , mostly for fear that evidence of some kind ( drugs ), could be flushed down the tiolet. I see why an officer would make this decision. Then I would turn to the owner / operator of the vehicle and tell him / her, they should have had the proper tags on the car and this would never have been an issue. It's a minor infraction I know BUT.........An infraction none the less, right ? We are all required to pay to renew our tags and I for one would say to this person.......Lest ye' be judged...... They broke a law and while being punished for the law that was broken, there was an unfortunate incident that occurred. Had they NOT broken a law, the little lady would have never been doing the " pee - pee " dance under these circumstances. It is unfortunate and I am sure embarassing for the lady but......If I were her, I'd be yelling at the person who failed to properly licence the vehicle and caused the whole ordeal, in the first place. The cops should NOT be blamed for following procedure, end of discussion. w |
Comments: 1608 Joined: 03/14/2007 |
10/23/2007 06:16:01 PM
Anyone actually know how hold this "elderly" lady is? I've learned that if it's beneficial, everyone becomes elderly.....You all have decided to pay your police 3 or 4 dollars over min wage, and then wonder what went wrong when the Columbo's and Andy Taylor's don't show up for work......I'm sure at some point you've said "WELL, we don't want cops who are in it for the money"...and that's just what you got......cops who are in it for reasons OTHER than the money .... Congratulations |
Comments: 291 Joined: 08/18/2006 |
10/23/2007 05:25:01 PM
It sounds as IF the department will have its officers go through SENSITIVITY training NOW. I don't think anyone's LIFE would have been endangered by allowing an ELDERLY lady to use the restroom. A LITTLE common sense goes a long way too, BUT they don't have training FOR that. |
Comments: 1608 Joined: 03/14/2007 |
10/23/2007 04:28:00 PM
yes sarah, Im sure you're extremely well-versed on the proper procedures involved in a traffic stop.........the days of Sheriff Andy Taylor are over. One of the first things they teach you in the Academy is to never let a group of people that you are dealing with Separate into different directions; ESPECIALLY when you are taking an enforcement action of any kind against their family or friends.....It's not a "unless you think some blogger might get mad at you"......Remember, the FIRST rule of police work is to come home to your family at night in the same shape you left them in.......and if that means someone gets their feelings hurt or "messes" themselves, so be it. Police work is not about being kind, sweet and letting down your guard just because someone is old, female or whatever....Police work is not about sacrificing your life and going against your training.........It is certainly not about 'doing what you're trained to do' so that you can be Monday morning quarterbacked by a bunch of people who have no clue........There are HUNDREDS of examples of "old women" killing police officers. Like I said, sounds like at least one of the council members is pointing this out, which was once VERY rare......15 years ago, ANY cop accused of ANYTHING was placed in the position to PROVE that he/she was innocent.......Now that any cop can pretty much go to work anywhere due to the extremely low pay and the great number of openings at almost any department; departments and municipalities are trying to give their officers the benefit of the doubt as a "perk" of the job, in order to keep officers from leaving. If you think that your councilmen should be coming down on officers for every one of their questionable actions, then you should move to Dekalb County, that's what they do, and I suggest you DON"t go out at night after you move there. |
Comments: 127 Joined: 10/23/2007 |
10/23/2007 02:40:25 PM
to romegasir... i dont think there should have been ANY reason at all to not let an older woman (with terminal cancer by the way) use a close restroom. There was no reason whatsoever to not let the poor lady go to the bathroom. This officer abused his authority and plainly (i'm sure) just said 'no you can walk yourself down the road". The guy probably thought he was somehow better then everyone else b/c he had a little badge and uniform and didnt give a rats behind if he was being stubborn or mean. I know it's not their job to 'be nice' but it's also not their job to tell people off. Mr. Botts was pulled over for a stupid tag out of date and not a high speed chase or major drug bust.. so to say that this was okay b/c he could have been hiding 'evidence' is ignorant. These people have no personal or political ties to Catoosa County and are just trying to make sure what happened to them isnt 'lost in the paperwork'. This isnt about some stupid ticket either.. it's about treating other humans with decency and respect.. which i'm beginning to think Catoosa County has none for their citizens. |
Comments: 1608 Joined: 03/14/2007 |
10/23/2007 01:00:54 PM
Who cares....can you imagine if the police allowed everyone during a traffic stop who "claimed" to need to use the restroom use it? I use to try to use common sense when deciding to let someone go during a traffic stop or at a crime scene, but I always erred on the side of caution......LOTS of times this is a ruse to escape a warrant, dispose of drugs or other evidence.........I'm sure the woman who Messed herself is a wonderful lady, and it's unfortunate, BUT I direct this to the Police Chief and the officer involved............................ I'd do exactly what the attorney said to do and keep my mouth shut............it's the lawsuit you want to win, not the public relations war (you'll never win).....If they discipline you for something you know you didn't do, apply at another department, just about EVERY DEPARTMENT in Georgia is begging for certified officers.....Get out of the boondocks where people have decades-long vendettas because you "dared" to give their cousin a ticket..... |
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