Police organization shows support for officers at Fort Oglethorpe council meeting
Tuesday November 13, 2007 8:16:04am
A packed council meeting room at Fort Oglethorpe City Hall included more than 20 members of the local Fraternal Order of Police lodge who came to support their own Monday evening.
The audience listened patiently to routine business being conducted, then heard several persons speak on a recent issue that has caused friction between police, the mayor, interim city manager and some council members.
But before the citizens’ petition portion of the meeting came about there was foreshadowing of what lay ahead during one item of council business, that being a vote on whether the city should pursue certification in the Georgia Municipal Association’s City of Ethics program.
With a resounding “no,” council member Richard Egeland was the sole dissenting vote, effectively striking down the matter since the GMA requires a unanimous vote by governments wishing to participate.
The ethics program provides for cities to form a citizen review board to participate in any ethics investigations.
Egeland said that with all the ridicule and humiliation of the Fort Oglethorpe Police Department in the cases of one recent arrest and one traffic stop, he could not vote for such a measure.
“I think we owe the police department an (apology),” Egeland said in the council member business portion of the meeting. He closed by taking a shot at his election rival Johnnie “Red” Smith, who defeated him in last week’s voting.
“You might have won, but when it comes to the men and women that put on this uniform, I think you’re a loser,” Egeland said, receiving admonishment from Mayor Judd Burkhart for being out of order.
Freddy Roden, president of the Baxter Shavers Fraternal Order of Police Lodge No. 99 in Fort Oglethorpe, was first to speak in the citizen comment time.
Roden said his organization supports having citizen complaints about police activity to be first investigated by that police department’s internal affairs division.
“After that, if they are not satisfied with the outcome, then they should have the opportunity to come before the council and express their concern,” Roden said.
He said he feels that in the recent situations surrounding actions by Fort Oglethorpe police officers Keith Robertson and Tammy Higgins, the police department has been treated “like a political football.”
Robertson was accused by Flintstone resident Danny L. Botts Sr. of not allowing his terminally ill sister to use a restroom in city hall while he was under arrest Sept. 20 for having a suspended registration on his vehicle.
After Higgins cited Harvey Hogue for not wearing his seat belt, he filed a complaint against the police department saying he in fact had it on and was being harassed.
“The police chief (Larry C. Black) was never allowed to give the officers’ side of the story, and we oppose investigations conducted in that manner,” he said.
When Fort Oglethorpe police officer Dave Scroggins came forward to speak, he choked back tears in describing his fellow officers as “some of the best officers I’ve ever seen.”
“I can count on one hand the times I’ve seen elected officials come out and thank these officers,” said the 10-year veteran cop.
According to Scroggins, both of the accused in the recent events have criminal records, and he said that shows how officers are putting their safety at risk. He said to the council members, “You guys should support every officer until it’s proven they did something wrong.”
Both Robertson and Higgins were cleared of any wrongdoing in an investigation by interim city manager Ron Goulart.
After Scroggins’ statement Mayor Burkhart said he did not know of anyone on the council who had personally “downed” Robertson, who he described as a personal friend.
But Robertson stood up and maintained that although Goulart said he did not violate policy, he was generally negative in a statement made to news media, saying Robertson had acted inappropriately and made poor judgment.
During a statement by Police Chief Black, Egeland asked him who had changed Botts’ citation from driving a vehicle with suspended registration to a lesser charge of having an expired tag.
Goulart spoke up and said he asked the traffic court clerk to ask the judge to do this, but before he could offer further explanation, Mayor Burkhart said he wasn’t going to allow any further argument of the case at the meeting.
In unrelated business, the city’s fiscal 2008 budget was passed 4-1, with council member Harold Silcox the dissenting vote. He said in the work session prior to the council meeting that he didn’t like the use of reserve funds being used for department expenses, preferring instead to come up with ways to trim back all around.
The Council unanimously voted to:
* Pass a resolution approving the Mayor and Council to request Homestead Tax Exemption increases from the Georgia General Assembly.
* Increase disbursement for the city employee annual appreciation token from $50 to $100.
* Increase city volunteer board and commission members compensation to $25 per meeting but not to exceed $50 per month.
* Approve new software support for 10 police patrol car radio systems.
* Approve a $1,250 emergency repair to an electric motor at the Westside pump station.
* Purchase materials for a water line project at Gilbert-Stephenson Park.
* Approve construction of a new drainage ditch through Gilbert-Stephenson Park.
* Change the city’s long-term disability insurance policy from Unum to Mutual of Omaha for a savings of about $6,000 annually for the next three years.
* Upgrade the terminal and PC software at the city’s vehicle fueling station.
* Approve the purchase of a new utility pole barn.
The audience listened patiently to routine business being conducted, then heard several persons speak on a recent issue that has caused friction between police, the mayor, interim city manager and some council members.
But before the citizens’ petition portion of the meeting came about there was foreshadowing of what lay ahead during one item of council business, that being a vote on whether the city should pursue certification in the Georgia Municipal Association’s City of Ethics program.
With a resounding “no,” council member Richard Egeland was the sole dissenting vote, effectively striking down the matter since the GMA requires a unanimous vote by governments wishing to participate.
The ethics program provides for cities to form a citizen review board to participate in any ethics investigations.
Egeland said that with all the ridicule and humiliation of the Fort Oglethorpe Police Department in the cases of one recent arrest and one traffic stop, he could not vote for such a measure.
“I think we owe the police department an (apology),” Egeland said in the council member business portion of the meeting. He closed by taking a shot at his election rival Johnnie “Red” Smith, who defeated him in last week’s voting.
“You might have won, but when it comes to the men and women that put on this uniform, I think you’re a loser,” Egeland said, receiving admonishment from Mayor Judd Burkhart for being out of order.
Freddy Roden, president of the Baxter Shavers Fraternal Order of Police Lodge No. 99 in Fort Oglethorpe, was first to speak in the citizen comment time.
Roden said his organization supports having citizen complaints about police activity to be first investigated by that police department’s internal affairs division.
“After that, if they are not satisfied with the outcome, then they should have the opportunity to come before the council and express their concern,” Roden said.
He said he feels that in the recent situations surrounding actions by Fort Oglethorpe police officers Keith Robertson and Tammy Higgins, the police department has been treated “like a political football.”
Robertson was accused by Flintstone resident Danny L. Botts Sr. of not allowing his terminally ill sister to use a restroom in city hall while he was under arrest Sept. 20 for having a suspended registration on his vehicle.
After Higgins cited Harvey Hogue for not wearing his seat belt, he filed a complaint against the police department saying he in fact had it on and was being harassed.
“The police chief (Larry C. Black) was never allowed to give the officers’ side of the story, and we oppose investigations conducted in that manner,” he said.
When Fort Oglethorpe police officer Dave Scroggins came forward to speak, he choked back tears in describing his fellow officers as “some of the best officers I’ve ever seen.”
“I can count on one hand the times I’ve seen elected officials come out and thank these officers,” said the 10-year veteran cop.
According to Scroggins, both of the accused in the recent events have criminal records, and he said that shows how officers are putting their safety at risk. He said to the council members, “You guys should support every officer until it’s proven they did something wrong.”
Both Robertson and Higgins were cleared of any wrongdoing in an investigation by interim city manager Ron Goulart.
After Scroggins’ statement Mayor Burkhart said he did not know of anyone on the council who had personally “downed” Robertson, who he described as a personal friend.
But Robertson stood up and maintained that although Goulart said he did not violate policy, he was generally negative in a statement made to news media, saying Robertson had acted inappropriately and made poor judgment.
During a statement by Police Chief Black, Egeland asked him who had changed Botts’ citation from driving a vehicle with suspended registration to a lesser charge of having an expired tag.
Goulart spoke up and said he asked the traffic court clerk to ask the judge to do this, but before he could offer further explanation, Mayor Burkhart said he wasn’t going to allow any further argument of the case at the meeting.
In unrelated business, the city’s fiscal 2008 budget was passed 4-1, with council member Harold Silcox the dissenting vote. He said in the work session prior to the council meeting that he didn’t like the use of reserve funds being used for department expenses, preferring instead to come up with ways to trim back all around.
The Council unanimously voted to:
* Pass a resolution approving the Mayor and Council to request Homestead Tax Exemption increases from the Georgia General Assembly.
* Increase disbursement for the city employee annual appreciation token from $50 to $100.
* Increase city volunteer board and commission members compensation to $25 per meeting but not to exceed $50 per month.
* Approve new software support for 10 police patrol car radio systems.
* Approve a $1,250 emergency repair to an electric motor at the Westside pump station.
* Purchase materials for a water line project at Gilbert-Stephenson Park.
* Approve construction of a new drainage ditch through Gilbert-Stephenson Park.
* Change the city’s long-term disability insurance policy from Unum to Mutual of Omaha for a savings of about $6,000 annually for the next three years.
* Upgrade the terminal and PC software at the city’s vehicle fueling station.
* Approve the purchase of a new utility pole barn.
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Comments: 37 Joined: 10/30/2007 |
11/15/2007 06:02:57 PM
please: I too had a rather negative attitude towards the FO police dept, or I guess police in general. I don't know why. I grew up knowing a lot of police officers and police officials and don't recall any issues with their integrity. I did have one issue though that did sour me on our local law enforcement. It happened with a member of my family. Maybe that's all it took.But now, maybe because of getting wiser as I get older or having to call upon the services of the FO police department in recent months, my attitude has changed. I have recently met no less than 8 officers and 2 detectives, and overall have had a very positive experience. (The actual tally here is 9-1, with the 1 being a total ass). But as with any profession, there are good ones and bad ones, corrupt ones and those whose reputations are above reproach. I know it's hard not to lump all of law enforcement in the same basket but each should be judged on their individual merits. Now if you want to talk about Ringgold lawyers, I have some real stories there... ;) |
Comments: 1608 Joined: 03/14/2007 |
11/15/2007 11:46:31 AM
please: Politicians are governed by approval ratings...and look where that got us.A lawyer calling anyone a liar is pretty laughable. Even if it turns out the lawyer is correct, how would you know? I'm certain that your lawyer is honorable and seeks justice, not acquittal, but for most lawyers they seek money.....at the cost of justice, at the cost of truth. Their job is to convince a jury that they should ignore what they see and hear. |
Comments: 128 Joined: 08/17/2007 |
11/15/2007 10:03:22 AM
I wish we could run an approval rating poll for the police officers of the Fort O. That would be interesting. I have a feeling some would do very well, and others would do well to find another job.It's a sad commentary on the state of things when you consult with a lawyer in Ringgold and mention the names of two detectives in Fort O as having worked on a case the lawyer immediately says "well, you know that they are both going to get on the stand and LIE". Everyone knows it. |
Comments: 37 Joined: 10/30/2007 |
11/15/2007 02:46:28 AM
Bygrace, a typical election here in our fair city yields typically only 700-900 voters. Scary when you think it would only take 350-450 voters to get a candidate in office. At our last mayoral election (2003), we had a record turnout of 1005 voters. This year's number was close to 1250. Had it been a presidential or state race we would have seen more. Still I agree with you. A sad turnout overall - regardless of whose side you are on.Lee, you are correct. Red's wife has cancer and he has had some second thoughts of late about running for council because of it. I was with Red on election night. I hope I am not telling stories out of school but Red left his poll campaigning in the evening of the election to check on his wife and nearly didn't make it back in time to hear the vote count. Red is devoted to his wife. He is also devoted to FO. He has given the city so much (a kidney, and nearly his life). I think he will give council and the residents of FO some sorely needed stability and integrity. Hoosiermama - love the name! Red hasn't done anything for Egeland act the way he did. Sadly, as lee so aptly put it, it is Egeland being Egeland. |
Comments: 401 Joined: 11/14/2007 |
11/14/2007 09:09:38 PM
I, too, was somewhat taken aback by Egeland's comment about Smith. My initial thought was just to attribute this comment to Egeland's hotheaded nature. I have only lived in North Georgia for about 5 years, though, so is there something in Councilman-Elect Smith's past that would earn him this sort of nasty rebuke or is Richard just being Richard again? |
Comments: 19 Joined: 09/07/2007 |
11/14/2007 12:45:37 PM
Egeland's comment was Egeland being Egeland is so horrible I couldn't even explain. Johnnie Smith was a police officer for the city and was shot in the line of duty on a routine traffic stop. It is very uncalled for. Smith was only able to campaign for the first month after the campaign began b/c of some health issues with his wife I think. He wasn't able to do the whole TV commercial and speaking thing like the others. Also if there are supporters of Ronnie Cobb that would vote against Smith therefore giving Egeland more votes....just my opinion. |
Comments: 1272 Joined: 07/13/2007 |
11/14/2007 11:50:28 AM
I'm not sure what Egland's comment was referring to....has there been an issue in the past with Smith that would warrant this opinion? I do think it was a distasteful comment, and uncalled for - just wondering what he could be referring to.While I realize that he got booted out along with the other two - he DID receive more votes than the other incumbants....seems more people like him than they do the mayor or Moye. Also wondering....I've heard alot of folks bragging about the "great" turnout of voters....less than 30 percent of registered voters doesn't seem to be much of a turnout...maybe compared to past elections - but if that is the case, then a large percentage of past registered voters have not really had the right to complain so much about the past administration - nor does more than 70 percent of the registered voters of the administration coming in January. If a person is able to vote - and does not - I really don't think they have a right to complain about anything that the elected officials do or do not do. Just my opinion. |
Comments: 126 Joined: 10/23/2007 |
11/14/2007 11:14:36 AM
Rabbit, I agree. Simply Put: a SORE SORE loser! Tough Cookies for him! If he was doing anything anyone liked.. he'd still be in office. |
Comments: 37 Joined: 10/30/2007 |
11/13/2007 03:11:59 PM
Egeland is an idot. To get up on the dais and slam your opponent (who beat you nearly 2-1) is just sour grapes. It shows a lack of manners or more than that, an inability to keep one's composure. Thank goodness we have only one more council meeting this year to have to listen to this yo-yo. My spidy sense tells me that the next council meeting will be a doosy. |
Comments: 37 Joined: 10/30/2007 |
11/13/2007 02:52:12 PM
Sarah, it means members of the city's housing board, historical commission, appeals board etc now get paid $25 per meeting, not to exceed 2 meetings per month. Most only meet once a month or once a quarter anyway. |
Comments: 126 Joined: 10/23/2007 |
11/13/2007 02:22:01 PM
* Increase city volunteer board and commission members compensation to $25 per meeting but not to exceed $50 per month.What does this mean?? ::confused:: Egeland kills me.. what a crybaby. |
Comments: 1608 Joined: 03/14/2007 |
11/13/2007 10:29:33 AM
Good job to these officers for standing up against these know-nothing, float with the wind elected officials........It's funny how most of the "complaints" always start out with poor, little old people just trying to do what's right even in the face of a corrupt police force, and always turns out to be people with criminal records who figure if they can't beat the charge (which thanks to the city manager he was able to even beat the suspended registration charge) then they can beat down the officer with invalid complaints. I would love to have been at that meeting and seen Officer Robertson set the record straight..........Anytime the mayor calls an officer a personal friend, all that means is "and he better not ever give me a ticket".......I have a feeling that Off. Robertson will be employed elsewhere soon, he'll be forced out by constant write-ups for nothing, in an attempt to 'build a case" for his termination.....My advice, document, document, document; then hire a good attorney.........Keep that podunk town crushed by legal fees if that's the way they intend to do business. |
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